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From: ok@quintus.uucp (Richard A. O'Keefe)
Subject: Re: Garbage Collection
Date: 14 Dec 88 06:40:47 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <864@quintus.UUCP> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3865@hubcap.UUCP

In article <3865@hubcap.UUCP> billwolf@hubcap.clemson.edu writes:
>    Basically, I charge garbage collection with the same crime that
>    the GOTO was charged with: its sole function is to facilitate
>    UNDISCIPLINED programming.  From Tremblay and Sorenson, 1985:

This is completely back-to-front.  Doing your own storage management
is like doing your own stack management instead of using procedure calls.
If you want to compare garbage collection with a control structure,
compare it with resursive procedures.

>    If this charge can be successfully prosecuted, then garbage
>    collection will face the same penalty: the total elimination 
>    of the facility, in favor of a more disciplined environment.

I think it would be very hard to accuse functional programming languages
like ML of providing an _un_disciplined environment.  Yet automatic storage
control is vital to them.  A word about the history of ML may make this
clearer.  ML was originally the MetaLanguage of Edinburgh LCF, a system
for doing proofs about computations.  It is strongly typed, because it
was important that anything the system claimed to be a proof should be a
valid proof.  There is a basic set of proof-forming operations which are
known to be valid.  The language cannot permit changes to elements of a
data structure, otherwise the arguments to a proof might be changed after
the proof was constructed, rendering it invalid.  "deallocate" simply
doesn't make sense in that kind of environment.  Storage management is
particularly easy in a language without side effects to data structures.

  reply	other threads:[~1988-12-14  6:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1988-12-03 22:53 Collective response to := messages Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-04 20:41 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-05  5:47   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1988-12-05 12:45     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-06  1:54       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1988-12-06 20:43         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-07 15:22         ` Collective response to := messa ron
1988-12-11 19:11           ` Garbage Collection William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-12  5:29             ` John Gateley
1988-12-12 18:19               ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-13  1:02                 ` Alexander Klaiber
1988-12-13 18:37                   ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-13 23:36                     ` Alexander Klaiber
1988-12-14  3:26                       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-14 17:16                       ` Stephe Leake
1988-12-15 14:43                       ` Thomas P. Morris
1988-12-14 23:30                     ` John Gateley
1988-12-15 19:25                       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-19 16:12                         ` John Gateley
1988-12-20 19:34                           ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-16  0:49                     ` Keys are references, too (was Re: Garbage Collection) Badger BA 64810
1988-12-18 18:42                       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-13 20:22                   ` Garbage Collection William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-14  6:40                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe [this message]
1988-12-14 17:43                       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-02 17:51             ` ryer
1989-01-05  8:31               ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-06 16:58             ` ryer
1989-01-08 19:24               ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1999-08-18  0:00 garbage collection Ronald Ayoub
1999-08-18  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-08-19  0:00   ` Gautier
1999-08-19  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-08-20  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-18  0:00 ` tmoran
1999-08-18  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-19  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1999-08-19  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-19  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-20  0:00     ` tmoran
1999-08-20  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-20  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-08-20  0:00           ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-21  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-08-21  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1999-08-21  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-21  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-21  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-18  0:00 ` Gisle S�lensminde
1999-08-18  0:00 ` Pascal MALAISE
1999-08-20  0:00   ` David Botton
1996-10-24  0:00 Garbage Collection H Brett Bolen
1989-01-10 19:16 Erland Sommarskog
1989-01-11 16:10 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-06 22:17 Erland Sommarskog
1989-01-08 18:40 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-09  3:56   ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-09 16:22     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-09 19:00       ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-10  2:50         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-11  9:22           ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-11 16:01             ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-11 18:21               ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-12  2:43                 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-15  7:14                   ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-05 23:26 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-31  0:04 Erland Sommarskog
1989-01-05  8:13 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-28 19:20 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-30  0:52 ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-26 23:37 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-27 21:24 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-28 16:09   ` Snorri Agnarsson
1988-12-30  0:46     ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-27 22:24 ` Bob Hathaway
1988-12-18 20:12 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-20 19:04 ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-13 20:07 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-15 19:13 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
     [not found] <145@krafla.rhi.hi.is>
     [not found] ` <272@fang.ATT.COM>
1988-03-29 13:47   ` From Modula to Oberon Denis Fortin
1988-03-30 15:32     ` Lawrence Crowl
1988-03-30 22:41       ` Hans Boehm
1988-03-31  6:27         ` Garbage Collection Richard Harter
1988-03-31 19:49           ` Hans Boehm
1988-04-01  5:43             ` Richard Harter
1988-04-01 18:43               ` Hans Boehm
1988-04-04 23:14           ` 00704a-Liber
1986-03-16 22:24 Garbage collection "Alexander L. Wolf"
     [not found] <1979@mit-eddi.UUCP>
     [not found] ` <2144@mit-eddie.UUCP>
1984-06-18 19:28   ` Abstraction In Ada Jon Mauney
1984-06-22  7:47     ` Doug Alan
1984-06-25  2:15       ` brad
1984-07-17 10:34         ` garbage collection Eric Smith
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