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In article <8512050609.AA24463@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> you write:
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>>*<info-ada>archive.current
>>\fradc-tops20
>>ada
>>\fhel-ace
>>blyskal
>>\fwisc-crys
>>pb
>>\fbrl-bmd
>>genesis
>>\fwisc-rsch
>>jerome
>>\fucla-cs
>>amiram
>>\fjpl-vlsi
>>august
>>larry
>>jplanderson
>>\fibm-sj
>>alpern
>>\foslo-vax
>>info-ada
>>\fnosc-f4
>>bboard
>>\fsu-sierra
>>bryan
>>haberler
>>rosenblum
>>pack
>>mendal
>>\fnrl-aic
>>bbd-info-ada
>>\fnosc
>>ccvax.jackie
>>elmer.jensen
>>hobler
>>ccvax.dukelow
>>jacoby
>>CCVAX.colborn
>>CCVAX.tokoro
>>CCVAX.hesser
>>CCVAX.johnd
>>sdcsvax!bill
>>sdcsvax!telesoft!info-ada
>>\fari-hq1
>>charlie
>>\fddn1
>>dca-pgs
>>navtelcom
>>\fucla-locus
>>ada-fans
>>\fsri-kl
>>denny
>>mercado
>>sarvela
>>BillW
>>Mathis
>>\fmitre-bedford
>>gte
>>gah
>>munck
>>mcc
>>Info-Ada
>>bcr
>>pjl
>>johnm
>>\fnosc-tecr
>>contr22
>>CONTR23
>>contr04
>>\fll-vlsi
>>glenn
>>\fdec-marlboro
>>kania
>>rehill
>>\foffice-2
>>kirk.tym
>>\fsri-unix
>>richard
>>\flll-mfe
>>info-ada%lll
>>COLBORN%SAV
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>>samuel
>>PACK
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>>vaughanw
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>>Date:  Mon, 2 Dec 85 08:56 CST
>>From:  "Paul D. Stachour" <Stachour@HI-MULTICS.ARPA>
>>Subject:  Re: Ada Professionalism Document
>>To:  VaughanW@HI-MULTICS.ARPA, info-ada@USC-ISIF.ARPA
>>cc:  "Edward V. Berard" <EBERARD@USC-ISIF.ARPA>
>>In-Reply-To:  Message of 1 Dec 85 20:04 CST from VaughanW
>>Message-ID:  <851202145648.806167@HI-MULTICS.ARPA>
>>
>>  In one sense, Ada is indeed a "good" forum for discussing
>>professionalism.  There are many "requirements" on a Software
>>Professional (for example, recovery from unexpected errors) that are
>>"efectively impossible" in other languages (nothing similar to
>>exceptions, with their raise/handle semantics) that are now possbile in
>>Ada.  Ada is a good tool that will, hopefully, enable those of us who
>>consider ourselves professionals but have been unable :o perform the
>>needed "good practices" due to the woeful lack of adequate facilities,
>>to now perform professionally.
>>  [Those of you who know me well know that I believe that the primary
>>action we as Software Professionals need to do is use good practices
>>defined/designed/available in specialized environments rather than the
>>JUNK most of us are forced to use.  {Yes, Sturgeon's law applies here.
>>At least 90% of the OS's/languages/...  are so junky that it is nearly
>>impossible to do a professional job.} ]
>>  It is indeed true that much of our "profession" is filled with
>>amateurs; those of you who have access to a copy of E.Dijkstra's 1976
>>IFIP speech in Toronto understand why this is so, and why it will
>>continue in an area that is growing far faster`than our poor ability to
>>eduate and train.
>>  But in a larger sense, software professionalism is not only "Ada",
>>though Ada can contribute well.  It is also true that if we, as software
>>professionals, do not begin to "police" ourselves, someone who knows
>>even less about software will someday "pass stupid laws" to attempt
>>regulation.
>>  I, thus am in a quandry.  I know we need professionalism, but don't
>>know a good way of achieving same.
>>  By the way, I know Bill Vaughan personally, and consider him one of
>>the best software engineers I've ever met.  I'd like to see his skills
>>and knowledge spread, and would be very unhappy if somehow his ability
>>to practice were "legislated-out-of-existance".  ..Paul


	Please cease this clutter !
						Larry Johnson
						ihnp4!cuae2!laj