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Date:  Mon, 2 Dec 85 08:56 CST
From:  "Paul D. Stachour" <Stachour@HI-MULTICS.ARPA>
Subject:  Re: Ada Professionalism Document
To:  VaughanW@HI-MULTICS.ARPA, info-ada@USC-ISIF.ARPA
cc:  "Edward V. Berard" <EBERARD@USC-ISIF.ARPA>
In-Reply-To:  Message of 1 Dec 85 20:04 CST from VaughanW
Message-ID:  <851202145648.806167@HI-MULTICS.ARPA>

  In one sense, Ada is indeed a "good" forum for discussing
professionalism.  There are many "requirements" on a Software
Professional (for example, recovery from unexpected errors) that are
"efectively impossible" in other languages (nothing similar to
exceptions, with their raise/handle semantics) that are now possbile in
Ada.  Ada is a good tool that will, hopefully, enable those of us who
consider ourselves professionals but have been unable to perform the
needed "good practices" due to the woeful lack of adequate facilities,
to now perform professionally.
  [Those of you who know me well know that I believe that the primary
action we as Software Professionals need to do is use good practices
defined/designed/available in specialized environments rather than the
JUNK most of us are forced to use.  {Yes, Sturgeon's law applies here.
At least 90% of the OS's/languages/...  are so junky that it is nearly
impossible to do a professional job.} ]
  It is indeed true that much of our "profession" is filled with
amateurs; those of you who have access to a copy of E.Dijkstra's 1976
IFIP speech in Toronto understand why this is so, and why it will
continue in an area that is growing far faster than our poor ability to
eduate and train.
  But in a larger sense, software professionalism is not only "Ada",
though Ada can contribute well.  It is also true that if we, as software
professionals, do not begin to "police" ourselves, someone who knows
even less about software will someday "pass stupid laws" to attempt
regulation.
  I, thus am in a quandry.  I know we need professionalism, but don't
know a good way of achieving same.
  By the way, I know Bill Vaughan personally, and consider him one of
the best software engineers I've ever met.  I'd like to see his skills
and knowledge spread, and would be very unhappy if somehow his ability
to practice were "legislated-out-of-existance".  ..Paul

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