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* Ada Professionalism Document
@ 1985-11-29 14:35 Edward V. Berard
  1985-12-03 10:15 ` Dick Dunn
  1985-12-04  9:09 ` (none) , 
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From: Edward V. Berard @ 1985-11-29 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)


As chairperson of the SIGAda Issues Working Group (a working group
within the SIGAda Education Committee) I have been charged with creating
a "Strawman" document on "Professionalism for Ada Software Personnel."
This document must be in a form for publication by January 1986. It will
be discussed at the February 1986 Sigada meeting in Los Angeles. This
document must address management as well as technical personnel.

At the recently held SIGAda meeting in Boston, this topic was discussed
at a BOF session. At that time, the participants suggested a number of
topics for inclusion in the document. These topics are listed below. If
you have any comments on this effort, or if you wish to participate in
its preparation, please contact me ASAP. 

The topics are:

1. A Professional License Exam
2. Responsibility
3. Code of Ethics
4. Accountability
5. Minimal Knowledge Base
6. Job Titles/Categories
7. Things to Change
8. Strategies for Change
9. Metrics
10. Legal Issues
11. Internship
12. Continuing Education
13. Political Issues
14. Public Relations 
15. Ownership
16. Professional Model
17. Peer Review
18. Censure and Appeal
19. Best Programming Practice
20. Transition Strategy
21. Major Professional Society
22. Regulatory Board

                                -- Edward V. Berard
                                   EVB Software Engineering, Inc.
                                   451 Hungerford Drive, Suite 100
                                   Rockville, Maryland  20850
                                   Phone (301) 251 - 1626
                                   MIL-Net EBerard@ISIF
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* Re: Ada Professionalism Document
@ 1985-12-02  2:04 VaughanW
  1985-12-02 19:26 ` D Gary Grady
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From: VaughanW @ 1985-12-02  2:04 UTC (permalink / raw)


I think it's downright awful that the spectre of protectionism has
finally arrived at SIGAda.  Of course, it might have been expected,
since Ada is a Government (with a VERY BIG G) project.

From the list of topics, it seems you intend to nominate yourselves as
an Establishment, with rights to (a) prevent others from entering the
clique, and (b) prescribe the Proper Way To Do Ada Programming.

I would find this silly, but I fear that with the Government behind you,
you may well be able to achieve this atrocity.

I sincerely hope you fail.

                                        Bill Vaughan

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* Re: Ada Professionalism Document
@ 1985-12-02  2:25 "David S. Bakin"
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: "David S. Bakin" @ 1985-12-02  2:25 UTC (permalink / raw)


[OK I know this isn't the proper forum but ... ]

Has anyone heard of some sort of joint ACM/IEEE committee on Computing
Sciences Accreditation?  1)  Where is the proper place to look for information
about it?  2)  Is anyone participating/following up on this committee?
3)  Does anyone know how such a committee would affect me, a working
"software engineer"?

Private replys to me, including I hope, someone to tell me what ARPA
mailing list is discussing this stuff  -- Dave (Bakin -at mit-multics)

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* ADA Professionalism Document
@ 1985-12-06 13:33 mack
  1985-12-12  3:32 ` Lowell Savage
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: mack @ 1985-12-06 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw)




    The problem I have with the document (and it seems, the problem that 
    several respondants have with the document):

	Its existence implies that ADA is so different from other lang-
	uages that it completely redefines the standard of software
	professionalism.

    ADA is different from other languages in a number of significant ways,
    the most important being the possibility of directly implementing both
    abstract data structures, multi-tasking, and (at least theoretically) 
    true parallel processing.  Now, object-oriented, "architecturally pure"
    programming is not only possible, but directly supported by a language.

    If we understood object-oriented programming precisely (not just gener-
    ally), then a document could be put together to define precisely what 
    object-oriented programming is.   If this were considered the only right
    way to program, we might even dare to call it a software design standard.
    However, extending it into a complete model of software professionalism 
    is ridiculous.  (Even this paragraph has a couple of big if's).

    I suppose I am biased by my own situation.  While many of the people in 
    this newsgroup are doing work related to the military, and are therefore in
    some way a "captive audience" of ADA :-), I am using it in a non-military
    (commercial/engineering) setting, and trying to show that its benefits 
    outweigh the costs of learning it and using it.  The people I am working 
    with are using all sorts of languages: BASIC, BLISS, C, FORTRAN, PL/1, 
    PASCAL, you name it.  A document like this is likely to make it harder 
    for me to do.  ("What's this?  Is everybody going to have to learn to 
    program all over again?  No thank you!") 

					Ralph Mack
					Applied Technology Software/Systems
					Digital Equipment Corp.

	"Any ideas expressed here are just my jaw working overtime, and
	may not represent rational thought, much less the point of view
	of Digital Equipment Corporation..."

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