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From: billwolf%hazel.cs.clemson.edu@hubcap.clemson.edu (William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 )
Subject: Re: problems/risks due to programming language
Date: 22 Feb 90 20:13:45 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8126@hubcap.clemson.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 10811@june.cs.washington.edu

From machaffi@fred.cs.washington.edu (Scott MacHaffie):
>>   code associated with the else part.  Thus, we have an inconsistency
>>   in C's design: with one flow-of-control construct (the switch), it is
>>   necessary to use a dangerous GOTO to achieve normal processing, whereas
> 
> No, it is necessary to use a statement to indicate that the current case
> statement is finished...like an "end case" or the next "when => " in ADA.

   Such a statement already exists: either the next "case Value:", or 
   the } which ends the switch.  Why is it necessary to use a "break"?
 
>>   with a similar flow-of-control construct (the if-else), the default is
>>   reversed.  Given such a language design, it should not surprise anyone
>>   that programmers become confused, particularly when the constructs are
>>   being used together. 
> 
> Some programmers become confused -- good programmers, and software 
> engineers, don't.

   The problem cannot simply be defined out of existence by saying,
   in essence, that good programmers don't make mistakes.  All human
   programmers make mistakes, and a well-designed language will help
   to minimize this particular tendency.  In this case, C does not. 

>>   This is certainly true; Brooks and others have noted that the good
>>   software engineering practices which are routinely introduced in
>>   conjunction with the Ada language are responsible for more of the 
>>   resulting improvements than the fact that the Ada language was
> 
> Well, these practices are certainly NOT being introduced in the 
> universities (at least not here).

   In that case, I strongly suggest that you immediately bring 
   this fact to the attention of the software engineering faculty 
   at washington.edu.  At other universities (e.g., Clemson), Ada
   *is* introduced in conjunction with software engineering.


   Bill Wolfe, wtwolfe@hubcap.clemson.edu

  reply	other threads:[~1990-02-22 20:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1990-02-20 22:28 problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested Gerald Baumgartner
1990-02-21 16:49 ` Richard A Hammond
1990-02-21 20:15   ` problems/risks due to programming language William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-02-21 22:49     ` Richard A Hammond
1990-02-21 23:14     ` John F Nixon
1990-02-22  5:39     ` Scott MacHaffie
1990-02-22 20:13       ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847  [this message]
1990-02-23 17:32         ` Richard A Hammond
1990-02-25 20:23           ` David Kassover
1990-02-22 20:48       ` Jeff Lawhorn
1990-02-23  2:00       ` Douglas Miller
1990-02-22 16:05         ` Dan L. Pierson
1990-02-22 20:28           ` David Kassover
1990-02-24 19:52           ` Erland Sommarskog
1990-02-23 17:45         ` Mike Harrison
1990-02-27  2:02           ` Douglas Miller
1990-02-22 18:28     ` Mike Percy
1990-02-23  2:09     ` Douglas Miller
1990-02-22  0:25   ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested David Kassover
1990-02-22  3:42     ` Richard A Hammond
1990-02-22 16:08       ` David Kassover
1990-02-22 16:21       ` David Kassover
1990-02-23 18:11 ` Thomas Vachuska
1990-02-24  0:13 ` Mark Brader
1990-02-27 19:30 ` Bill Leonard
1990-02-28 18:57   ` Paul Snively
1990-02-28 21:35     ` Jason Coughlin
1990-03-01 19:00       ` Barry Margolin
1990-03-02 13:31         ` Richard A Hammond
1990-03-02 19:26           ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-02 22:19             ` Richard A Hammond
1990-03-06 21:54               ` John Boone
1990-03-03 20:18             ` Charles E Eaker
1990-03-03 21:11               ` Invalid analogy William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-03 23:26                 ` I Wish
1990-03-05 19:51                 ` John F Nixon
1990-03-09 17:20                 ` Tony Sanders
1990-03-01 15:33     ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested Jeff Dalton
1990-03-01 21:42       ` Chuck Lins
1990-03-02 19:19     ` David F. Carlson
1990-03-02 22:15       ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 
1990-03-06 10:11         ` jbaker
1990-03-08 15:19           ` Lou Steinberg
1990-03-08 21:44             ` Gianfranco Ciardo
1990-03-09 16:18               ` David Kassover
1990-03-09 16:55               ` Erann Gat
1990-03-10 17:50               ` Andrew P. Mullhaupt
1990-03-12  4:06                 ` Peter da Silva
1990-03-12 16:58                 ` Jeff Clark
1990-03-12 20:20                 ` Proposal comp.lang.jihad (was Re: problems/risks due to blah etc.) What`s in a name?
1990-03-09 20:13         ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested Tony Sanders
1990-03-13 22:11           ` Erland Sommarskog
1990-03-19  1:01           ` Ada vs C, objectivity requested Lucio de Re
1990-03-26 20:37             ` Karl Heuer
1990-03-15 15:31         ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested jaws
1990-03-02 23:27       ` Jim Giles
1990-03-03  2:23         ` Vincent Manis
1990-03-03  2:10       ` problems/risks due to programming language Karl Heuer
1990-03-02 23:01     ` problems/risks due to programming language, stories requested William J. Bouma
1990-03-14  4:46     ` Lindsay Groves
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1990-02-23  6:46 problems/risks due to programming language Scott MacHaffie
     [not found] <10811@june.cs.washington.edu% <8126@hubcap.clemson.edu% <10838@june.cs.washington.edu>
1990-02-23 18:55 ` B. S. Oplinger
1990-02-24 19:39 Erland Sommarskog
     [not found] <5432@crdgw1.crd.ge.com) <8103@hubcap.clemson.edu) <10811@june.cs.washington.edu) <806@enea.se>
1990-02-26 18:48 ` What`s in a name?
1990-02-26 22:02   ` Karl Heuer
1990-03-02 10:57   ` Erland Sommarskog
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