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From: Richard D Riehle <laoXhai@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Confusing language, was Re: Help help.. please.i am totaly new in     ada programing
Date: 1999/11/10
Date: 1999-11-10T21:41:34+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <80coqe$fjk$1@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wcc90462gqw.fsf@world.std.com

In article <wcc90462gqw.fsf@world.std.com>,
	Robert A Duff <bobduff@world.std.com> wrote:

Regarding my irrational harangue about Y2K,

>Still, you (and Robert Dewar) now blame it on deficiencies of COBOL,
>which is quite fair.  That's quite different from saying folks
>intelligently decided that 1999 was (practically) the end of time, and
>documented that fact.

True.  COBOL, as designed and popularly used was a contributor to the
problem.  Even so, we could have coded a four digit year using two
bytes of COMP-3 (packed decimal), or even four bytes of USAGE DISPLAY.
For some applications, we actually did that starting in the late 70's
because some applications required maturity dates that extended into
the next century.  

Frequently the constrolling factor was limitation of storage on the
various kinds of media being used.  One of my economics professors 
said, "Economics is the study of scarcity.  If nothing were scarce, 
there would be no need for economics."   Y2K originates in a kind of
economics.  Scarcity of resources such as bytes on a hard disk, primary
memory on a computer, the time it took to read four rows on a paper
tape instead of two, the fact that all the files would not fit on a
single magnetic tape backup if one used to much space, the tyranny of
the eighty column card, still present in the design of video displays
limited to eighty characters per line on a screen, and a host of other
factors contributed to this problem.  

I was responding, originally, to your use of the word, "sloppy" to 
describe the people who created the problem.  

Oh, and as a matter of fact, 1999 is the end of time.  :-)

Richard Riehle 




  reply	other threads:[~1999-11-10  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-10-29  0:00 Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing vico
1999-10-29  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-10-29  0:00   ` Gautier
1999-10-29  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1999-10-29  0:00       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-10-29  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-10-30  0:00       ` Dave Taylor
1999-10-30  0:00         ` gnat on macintosh James E. Hopper
1999-10-30  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-10-30  0:00             ` James E. Hopper
1999-10-31  0:00       ` Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing Robert Dewar
1999-10-30  0:00     ` Siow Wey Hua
1999-10-29  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-10-29  0:00       ` David Starner
1999-10-31  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-10-31  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-10-31  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1999-11-01  0:00       ` Gautier
1999-11-02  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00           ` Gautier
1999-11-02  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00               ` tmoran
1999-11-02  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03  0:00                   ` tmoran
     [not found]                     ` <01bf25cc$5d390fc0$022a6282@dieppe>
1999-11-03  0:00                       ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-04  0:00                         ` David Botton
1999-11-03  0:00                     ` Preben Randhol
1999-11-03  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03  0:00                         ` Confusing language, was " tmoran
1999-11-03  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                             ` Richard D Riehle
1999-11-05  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                             ` tmoran
1999-11-04  0:00                               ` David Starner
1999-11-04  0:00                                 ` tmoran
1999-11-04  0:00                                   ` Aidan Skinner
1999-11-05  0:00                                     ` Craig Spannring
1999-11-05  0:00                                       ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-06  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-05  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                                   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-11-04  0:00                                   ` David Starner
1999-11-05  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-09  0:00                                   ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-10  0:00                                     ` tmoran
1999-11-04  0:00                               ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-05  0:00                               ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-06  0:00                                 ` tmoran
1999-11-06  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-08  0:00                                 ` Tarjei Jensen
1999-11-08  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-08  0:00                                     ` Marin Condic
1999-11-08  0:00                                       ` Ehud Lamm
1999-11-09  0:00                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-09  0:00                                           ` Ehud Lamm
1999-11-09  0:00                                       ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-09  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-09  0:00                                         ` Marin Condic
1999-11-09  0:00                                           ` Richard D Riehle
1999-11-10  0:00                                             ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-10  0:00                                               ` Richard D Riehle [this message]
1999-11-11  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11  0:00                                                   ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-11  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11  0:00                                                   ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-11  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11  0:00                                                 ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-12  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11  0:00                                                 ` Marin Condic
1999-11-12  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-12  0:00                                                     ` Marin Condic
1999-11-13  0:00                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-12  0:00                                                     ` Marin Condic
1999-11-19  0:00                                                     ` GNAT.Calendar (was: Re: Confusing language, was Re: Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing) Mario Amado Alves
1999-11-19  0:00                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-12  0:00                                                 ` Confusing language, was Re: Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-12  0:00                                                   ` Marin Condic
1999-11-13  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-13  0:00                                                     ` Nick Roberts
1999-11-15  0:00                                                       ` Samuel T. Harris
1999-11-15  0:00                                                     ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-15  0:00                                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-10  0:00                                           ` Confusing language etc Nick Roberts
1999-11-11  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-08  0:00                                   ` Confusing language, was Re: Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing Robert Dewar
1999-11-09  0:00                                     ` Tarjei Jensen
1999-11-09  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-09  0:00                                       ` Y2K liability, was " tmoran
1999-11-05  0:00                         ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-05  0:00                           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-11-03  0:00                     ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-03  0:00                       ` tmoran
1999-11-03  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                           ` tmoran
1999-11-04  0:00                             ` Charles Hixson
1999-11-04  0:00                               ` tmoran
1999-11-05  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-08  0:00                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-08  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-05  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                         ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-03  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03  0:00                       ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-03  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                           ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-05  0:00                             ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-04  0:00                       ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-11-05  0:00                         ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-02  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-02  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00                   ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-03  0:00                   ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-11-03  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-11-03  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00               ` Gautier
1999-11-03  0:00               ` Aidan Skinner
1999-11-03  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-02  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-02  0:00             ` Aidan Skinner
1999-11-03  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03  0:00             ` Free Software -- was, " Richard D Riehle
1999-10-29  0:00   ` David Botton
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