From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Confusing language, was Re: Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing
Date: 1999/11/05
Date: 1999-11-05T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vvpoo$fj7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7vsgjk$aeh$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net
In article <7vsgjk$aeh$1@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>,
Richard D Riehle <laoXhai@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> I think the source for CLAW is pretty much open. That is,
> when one purchases a copy of CLAW, it seems the source code
> comes with it. If the new licensee wants to modify the
> source, there is little to prevent it.
THat's not what I mean by open source, i mean OSS certified,
as defined on their website, this is the general sense in
which Open Source is used these days (yes yes, anyone can
use it it in any sense they like, which is why I am clearly
defining that I am talking about OSS certification).
> The issue with CLAW is that it is a product. Randy Brukhardt
> spends long hours alone in his office working on this product.
> The only financial support he receives is when someone buys a
> copy of his product. In this sense, there is no way to make
> it free.
Well there are counter examples to this claim, GNAT is one of
them.
> It takes money to develop software. Where does the money come
> from?
It can come from selling the software or from support and
consulting services for the software.
> In the case of CLAW, it comes from those who license the
> product, as nearly as I can tell. Someone has to pay for
> Randy's time for developing CLAW and keeping it up to date.
Sure and selling licenses is one way to make money off software,
providing support services is another.
> A product for sale must provide some benefit over one for
> free.
Sure, that is true whether the product is a software license
or software support.
> Randy's effort certainly fits that criteria. We have clients
> who are licensees of CLAW and like its total Ada approach to
> Windows programming.
I certainly agree that it is a nice approach. That is why
RR is a tools partner of ACT, and we have several customers
making use of CLAW
> I personally like its use of Ada 95 features that are
> not available in the C++ based MFC, or the thin Ada bindings
> from other sources.
Again I agree
> It seems to me that the compiler publishers are
> missing an opportunity by not bundling CLAW as part of their
> Windows 95/98/NT products. It would certainly make those
> products more attractive for Windows programming.
We prefer to let our customers make the choice as to which
tools best suit their needs.
Note that I absolutely agree that it is important that CLAW
generate sufficient revenue to allow its continued support
and development. It's always tricky to decide which model
is best for this. It may be the case that the support model
is not applicable here, but on the other hand this may not
be the case, who knows?
Robert Dewar
Ada Core Technologies
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1999-10-29 0:00 Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing vico
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-10-30 0:00 ` Dave Taylor
1999-10-30 0:00 ` gnat on macintosh James E. Hopper
1999-10-30 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-10-30 0:00 ` James E. Hopper
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing Robert Dewar
1999-10-30 0:00 ` Siow Wey Hua
1999-10-29 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03 0:00 ` tmoran
[not found] ` <01bf25cc$5d390fc0$022a6282@dieppe>
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-04 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-03 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1999-11-04 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-08 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Confusing language, was " tmoran
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-04 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-11-04 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Craig Spannring
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-11-04 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-10 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-06 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-11-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-08 0:00 ` Tarjei Jensen
1999-11-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-08 0:00 ` Marin Condic
1999-11-08 0:00 ` Ehud Lamm
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Ehud Lamm
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Marin Condic
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-11-10 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-10 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-11-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11 0:00 ` Marin Condic
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Marin Condic
1999-11-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Marin Condic
1999-11-19 0:00 ` GNAT.Calendar (was: Re: Confusing language, was Re: Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing) Mario Amado Alves
1999-11-19 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Confusing language, was Re: Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Marin Condic
1999-11-13 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-13 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-11-15 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1999-11-15 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-15 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-11 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-10 0:00 ` Confusing language etc Nick Roberts
1999-11-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Confusing language, was Re: Help help.. please.i am totaly new in ada programing Robert Dewar
1999-11-08 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Tarjei Jensen
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Y2K liability, was " tmoran
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-11-05 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Free Software -- was, " Richard D Riehle
1999-10-29 0:00 ` David Botton
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