From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Ammo-zilla
Date: 1999/11/02
Date: 1999-11-02T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vmjor$opj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.BSF.4.10.9911011726330.5772-100000@shell5.ba.best.com
In article
<Pine.BSF.4.10.9911011726330.5772-100000@shell5.ba.best.com>,
Brian Rogoff <bpr@shell5.ba.best.com> wrote:
> > I find it continually confusing that people confuse a
> > programming paradigm (OOP) with some features in the
language
> > that are useful for supporting this paradigm.
>
> I'm not confusing anything. Since OOP, and Ada's function call
> notation are under discussion, comparisons with non-OOP
> languages are weak.
To me there is no such thing as an OOP language, since OOP is
not a language feature, it is a programming paradigm, which can
of course be used in any language.
One can certainly discuss the ease and convenience of using this
paradigm in a particular language.
And one can bias the language syntax to make this particular
paradigm particularly convenient.
But I think that is a mistake, since the fundamental notions
of inheritance, dynamic dispatching, and type extension are
far more powerful, and cover a much wider range of programming
styles and approaches than simply OOP.
If you specialize the syntax too much for OOP, then you will
make these useful features much less available for other uses,
and that is what has happened in several other languages. I
particularly dislike the style of C++ programming where you
write conventional abstract data types, with a functional and
procedural style, and are then forced into the inappropriate
dot notation for calling functions which have nothing whatsoever
to do with objects or "distinguished receivers".
Maybe my experience is atypical, but I see this kind of C++
program FAR more frequently than I see real object oriented
programs (that does not surprise me, the notion of ADT's is
to me far more general than the notion of objects).
(of course the programmers of these C++ programs are actually
under the illusion they are doing object oriented programming,
because they are using the word class, and everyone knows that
C++ is an "object oriented programming language".)
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1999-10-23 0:00 Ammo-zilla Stanley R. Allen
1999-10-24 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Aidan Skinner
1999-10-24 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-24 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Aidan Skinner
1999-10-25 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-10-24 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-28 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-10-28 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Laurent Guerby
1999-10-28 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla David Starner
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Larry Kilgallen
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla David Starner
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Tucker Taft
1999-10-30 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla mike
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Wes Groleau
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Geoff Bull
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla David Starner
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Ada and GC. Was: Ammo-zilla Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert A Duff
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert A Duff
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-03 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Ada GC (was Re: Ammo-zilla) Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-06 0:00 ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-06 0:00 ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-09 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-10 0:00 ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-10 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-11-10 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Didier Utheza
1999-11-10 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-12 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Ada GC (was Ammo-zilla) Nick Roberts
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Garbage colletion Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Gnat IDE (was: Garbage colletion) Ted Dennison
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Garbage colletion Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04 0:00 ` Didier Utheza
1999-11-04 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-10-30 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-10-30 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-28 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ada and GC (Was Re: Ammo-zilla) Vladimir Olensky
1999-10-29 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-10-30 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1999-10-30 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert I. Eachus
1999-10-28 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Tucker Taft
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Brian Rogoff
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-01 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Brian Rogoff
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Brian Rogoff
1999-11-02 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert A Duff
1999-10-28 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-28 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla mitch
1999-10-29 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-31 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-24 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-24 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-24 0:00 ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
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