From: Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen <oleh@vlinux.voxelvision.no>
Subject: Re: Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board?
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:19:02 GMT
Date: 2002-08-22T08:19:02+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vhehncnm1.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: um7qikt7tn9209@corp.supernews.com
"Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com> writes:
> Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote in message
> <7vptwccqfs.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no>...
>
> >And preferably pay up front for the develoment of the compiler.... OK
> >strategy if you sell few expensive development systems, probably not a
> >good strategy to penetrate the mass market.
>
>
> The companies that tried to penatrate the mass market with Ada are
> either out of business (Supersoft, Artek, Meridian), have changed
> product lines to move away from the mass market (RR Software), or
> changed business models (Aonix). A lot of people lost a lot of money
> trying to do that, and it has always failed. Here, I have to agree with
> Robert: if you think there is some way to make a viable business out of
> mass market Ada, feel free to take your own money and start a company to
> do it. Otherwise, stop whining.
I'm not in the business of making compilers, and it wasn't whining,
just an observation that from a customers point of view, it has made
sense to seek other solutions. As a customer, I don't really care
about the vendor's motivation for his strategy. Of course any vendor
is free to pursue his preferred market.
>
> I've spent 22 years trying to sell Ada to the masses, and primarily all
> I have to show for it is a substantial debt. You can argue that RRS has
> done this or that wrong (and that's probably true), but I dare anyone
> here to do it better on the money we had available. Unless some Ada
> stalwart wins a $100 million Powerball jackpot, I very much doubt that
> will change.
>
> Randy Brukardt
> R.R. Software, Inc.
I do not doubt that it's very difficult to penetrate the mass market
without very deep pockets, and I do not accuse you of having done
anything stupid. It probably is an indication that there is no mass
market appeal in Ada at the moment.
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2002-08-16 8:48 Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board? Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-16 9:14 ` Steffen Huber
2002-08-16 11:22 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-17 15:55 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-19 21:29 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20 0:13 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-20 21:21 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20 12:07 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-21 22:41 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-21 13:05 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-08-21 13:07 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-08-21 14:42 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-21 19:32 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-22 5:43 ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-22 6:30 ` tmoran
2002-08-22 17:30 ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-23 2:01 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-08-23 4:00 ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-23 20:36 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-24 5:24 ` Robert C. Leif
2002-08-24 20:00 ` Excessive quoting and Outlook (was: Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board?) Robert Dewar
2002-08-24 22:30 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-24 21:57 ` mailers, quoting text etc. (was " Robert Dewar
2002-08-25 3:29 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-27 18:12 ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-31 14:02 ` chris.danx
2002-08-31 13:58 ` chris.danx
2002-08-25 6:20 ` Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board? tmoran
2002-08-26 1:56 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-26 4:42 ` tmoran
2002-08-30 19:21 ` data on cla messages, was " tmoran
2002-08-31 12:21 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-31 16:21 ` tmoran
2002-08-31 22:02 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-23 3:14 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-26 19:31 ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-22 22:49 ` tmoran
2002-08-23 14:52 ` Software Economics was " Robert C. Leif
2002-08-23 16:26 ` OT: " Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-23 18:19 ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-24 3:33 ` Weston T. Pan
2002-08-24 5:11 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-24 13:16 ` Bill Tate
2002-08-26 9:47 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-08-26 12:16 ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-26 14:25 ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-27 10:43 ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-27 19:10 ` Bill Tate
2002-08-27 22:23 ` Bill
2002-08-27 12:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-08-27 13:04 ` Bill Tate
2002-08-24 0:11 ` Software Economics Robert C. Leif
2002-08-24 13:01 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-23 17:55 ` Software Economics was RE: Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board? Preben Randhol
2002-08-23 18:03 ` Darren New
2002-08-23 18:39 ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-23 19:15 ` Darren New
2002-08-26 14:14 ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-26 17:14 ` Darren New
2002-08-26 22:47 ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-26 17:31 ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-26 22:49 ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-24 1:58 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-27 18:43 ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-27 18:52 ` tmoran
2002-08-29 13:36 ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-24 2:05 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-24 7:28 ` tmoran
2002-08-24 21:53 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-26 13:40 ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-22 23:11 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-22 6:50 ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-22 13:49 ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-23 9:29 ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-24 2:19 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-26 21:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-27 5:57 ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-27 19:27 ` Michael Bode
2002-08-28 1:56 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-28 12:59 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-08-28 22:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-08-24 2:24 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-24 20:12 ` Michael Bode
2002-08-24 23:05 ` Darren New
2002-08-25 15:53 ` SteveD
2002-08-25 16:48 ` Michael Bode
2002-08-26 7:12 ` John R. Strohm
2002-08-21 19:30 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-22 8:19 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen [this message]
2002-08-22 19:44 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-29 16:03 ` Tucker Taft
2002-08-29 21:36 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-08-31 1:58 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-30 14:19 ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-30 17:14 ` Richard Riehle
2002-09-02 20:50 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20 15:00 ` Darren New
2002-08-20 19:52 ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-20 20:50 ` Darren New
2002-08-20 18:29 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-21 22:41 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-21 19:34 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-22 22:25 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-21 19:40 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-22 0:08 ` BSCrawford
2002-08-22 1:19 ` Larry Hazel
2002-08-22 1:45 ` SteveD
2002-08-22 3:23 ` tmoran
2002-08-22 10:28 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-21 19:44 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-22 22:50 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20 18:32 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-19 17:16 ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-20 20:40 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20 15:45 ` Richard Riehle
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