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From: Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen <oleh@vlinux.voxelvision.no>
Subject: Re: Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board?
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:19:02 GMT
Date: 2002-08-22T08:19:02+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vhehncnm1.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: um7qikt7tn9209@corp.supernews.com

"Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com> writes:

> Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote in message
> <7vptwccqfs.fsf@vlinux.voxelvision.no>...
> 
> >And preferably pay up front for the develoment of the compiler....  OK
> >strategy if you sell few expensive development systems, probably not a
> >good strategy to penetrate the mass market.
> 
> 
> The companies that tried to penatrate the mass market with Ada are
> either out of business (Supersoft, Artek, Meridian), have changed
> product lines to move away from the mass market (RR Software), or
> changed business models (Aonix). A lot of people lost a lot of money
> trying to do that, and it has always failed. Here, I have to agree with
> Robert: if you think there is some way to make a viable business out of
> mass market Ada, feel free to take your own money and start a company to
> do it. Otherwise, stop whining.

I'm not in the business of making compilers, and it wasn't whining,
just an observation that from a customers point of view, it has made
sense to seek other solutions. As a customer, I don't really care
about the vendor's motivation for his strategy.  Of course any vendor
is free to pursue his preferred market.

> 
> I've spent 22 years trying to sell Ada to the masses, and primarily all
> I have to show for it is a substantial debt. You can argue that RRS has
> done this or that wrong (and that's probably true), but I dare anyone
> here to do it better on the money we had available. Unless some Ada
> stalwart wins a $100 million Powerball jackpot, I very much doubt that
> will change.
> 
>             Randy Brukardt
>             R.R. Software, Inc.

I do not doubt that it's very difficult to penetrate the mass market
without very deep pockets, and I do not accuse you of having done
anything stupid. It probably is an indication that there is no mass
market appeal in Ada at the moment.



  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-22  8:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-16  8:48 Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board? Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-16  9:14 ` Steffen Huber
2002-08-16 11:22   ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-17 15:55   ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-19 21:29     ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20  0:13       ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-20 21:21         ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20 12:07           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-21 22:41             ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-21 13:05               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-08-21 13:07                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-08-21 14:42                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-21 19:32                   ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-22  5:43                     ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-22  6:30                       ` tmoran
2002-08-22 17:30                         ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-23  2:01                           ` Robert C. Leif
2002-08-23  4:00                             ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-23 20:36                             ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-24  5:24                               ` Robert C. Leif
2002-08-24 20:00                                 ` Excessive quoting and Outlook (was: Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board?) Robert Dewar
2002-08-24 22:30                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-24 21:57                                 ` mailers, quoting text etc. (was " Robert Dewar
2002-08-25  3:29                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-27 18:12                                     ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-31 14:02                                     ` chris.danx
2002-08-31 13:58                                   ` chris.danx
2002-08-25  6:20                               ` Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board? tmoran
2002-08-26  1:56                                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-26  4:42                                   ` tmoran
2002-08-30 19:21                                     ` data on cla messages, was " tmoran
2002-08-31 12:21                                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-31 16:21                                       ` tmoran
2002-08-31 22:02                                         ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-23  3:14                         ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-26 19:31                         ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-22 22:49                       ` tmoran
2002-08-23 14:52                         ` Software Economics was " Robert C. Leif
2002-08-23 16:26                           ` OT: " Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-23 18:19                             ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-24  3:33                               ` Weston T. Pan
2002-08-24  5:11                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-24 13:16                               ` Bill Tate
2002-08-26  9:47                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-08-26 12:16                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-26 14:25                                   ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-27 10:43                                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-27 19:10                                       ` Bill Tate
2002-08-27 22:23                                         ` Bill
2002-08-27 12:00                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-08-27 13:04                                   ` Bill Tate
2002-08-24  0:11                             ` Software Economics Robert C. Leif
2002-08-24 13:01                               ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-23 17:55                           ` Software Economics was RE: Ada 95 for an ARM-based bare board? Preben Randhol
2002-08-23 18:03                             ` Darren New
2002-08-23 18:39                               ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-23 19:15                                 ` Darren New
2002-08-26 14:14                               ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-26 17:14                                 ` Darren New
2002-08-26 22:47                                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-26 17:31                                 ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-26 22:49                                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-24  1:58                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-27 18:43                             ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-27 18:52                               ` tmoran
2002-08-29 13:36                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-24  2:05                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-24  7:28                             ` tmoran
2002-08-24 21:53                               ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-26 13:40                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-08-22 23:11                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-22  6:50                     ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-22 13:49                       ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-23  9:29                         ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-24  2:19                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-26 21:52                             ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-27  5:57                             ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-27 19:27                               ` Michael Bode
2002-08-28  1:56                               ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-28 12:59                                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-08-28 22:32                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-08-24  2:24                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-24 20:12                             ` Michael Bode
2002-08-24 23:05                               ` Darren New
2002-08-25 15:53                                 ` SteveD
2002-08-25 16:48                                   ` Michael Bode
2002-08-26  7:12                     ` John R. Strohm
2002-08-21 19:30                 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-22  8:19                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen [this message]
2002-08-22 19:44                     ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-29 16:03               ` Tucker Taft
2002-08-29 21:36                 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-08-31  1:58                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-30 14:19                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-30 17:14                   ` Richard Riehle
2002-09-02 20:50                     ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20 15:00           ` Darren New
2002-08-20 19:52             ` Florian Weimer
2002-08-20 20:50               ` Darren New
2002-08-20 18:29           ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-21 22:41             ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-21 19:34               ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-22 22:25                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-21 19:40               ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-22  0:08                 ` BSCrawford
2002-08-22  1:19                   ` Larry Hazel
2002-08-22  1:45                   ` SteveD
2002-08-22  3:23                     ` tmoran
2002-08-22 10:28                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-21 19:44               ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-22 22:50                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20 18:32           ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-19 17:16 ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-20 20:40   ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-20 15:45     ` Richard Riehle
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