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From: dvdeug@x8b4e53cd. (David Starner)
Subject: Re: Ammo-zilla
Date: 1999/10/29
Date: 1999-10-29T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7vb3c4$8a21@news.cis.okstate.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1999Oct28.221910.1@eisner

On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:19:10 GMT, Larry Kilgallen <kilgallen@eisner.decus.org> 
wrote:
>In article <7vadsp$8q61@news.cis.okstate.edu>, dvdeug@x8b4e53cd. 
>(David Starner) writes:
>
>> If garbage collection is not mandated, however, then it can't be relied on 
>> in Ada code that might run under systems that don't garbage collect - i.e. 
>> portable Ada code can't use it. Hence either you deallocate any memory 
>> yourself, or suffer garbage leaks while running under a non-garbage 
>> collecting system.
>
>Vendors are free to implement garbage collection and will do so
>to the extent that the market demands.
>
>They have done so, including the vendor of "free" compilers.

I said nothing about vendors. As long as there are otherwise-reasonable
Ada compilers that don't garbage collect, good Ada programs must assume
they're running on that system. 

I once pointed out that integer'base could be an infinite precision
integer type. (Robert Dewar said yes, but it wasn't something that
was going to get added to GNAT.) Let's say that it was added to GNAT.
Good portable Ada code still couldn't depend on having 70 digit+ 
integer types. GC is the same - as long as most systems don't support it,
(and I'm not familiar with any major ones that don't run on the JVM that 
do), you can't depend on it. And as long as you can't depend on it, GC's
main advantage - saving the programer trouble worring about memory - is
useless. 

As a side question: Ada 95's designers must have been familiar with Modula 3's
support of garbage collection while letting real time stuff keep track of
its own memory. What stopped them from adopting something like that for
Ada 95?

--
David Starner - dstarner98@aasaa.ofe.org




  reply	other threads:[~1999-10-29  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-10-23  0:00 Ammo-zilla Stanley R. Allen
1999-10-24  0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-24  0:00   ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-24  0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Aidan Skinner
1999-10-24  0:00   ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-24  0:00     ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-28  0:00       ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-10-28  0:00         ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-28  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla mitch
1999-10-29  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-28  0:00         ` Ammo-zilla Laurent Guerby
1999-10-28  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-10-29  0:00             ` Ada and GC (Was Re: Ammo-zilla) Vladimir Olensky
1999-10-29  0:00               ` David Botton
1999-10-31  0:00                 ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-10-30  0:00                   ` Samuel T. Harris
1999-10-30  0:00                     ` David Botton
1999-10-28  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla David Starner
1999-10-29  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Larry Kilgallen
1999-10-29  0:00               ` David Starner [this message]
1999-10-29  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-29  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-10-29  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-29  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla mike
1999-10-29  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-31  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00                       ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-11-03  0:00                         ` Ammo-zilla Wes Groleau
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Geoff Bull
1999-10-29  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Tucker Taft
1999-10-30  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-10-31  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-31  0:00                   ` Garbage colletion Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Gnat IDE (was: Garbage colletion) Ted Dennison
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Garbage colletion Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-11-01  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                           ` Didier Utheza
1999-11-04  0:00                             ` David Starner
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-10-31  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-31  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla David Starner
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ada and GC. Was: Ammo-zilla Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1999-11-02  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00                           ` Charles Hixson
1999-11-03  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03  0:00                               ` Charles Hixson
1999-11-02  0:00                         ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-01  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla Robert A Duff
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00                       ` Ammo-zilla Robert A Duff
1999-11-02  0:00                         ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-03  0:00                           ` Ammo-zilla Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-03  0:00                             ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                               ` Ada GC (was Re: Ammo-zilla) Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-06  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-06  0:00                                   ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-06  0:00                                     ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-06  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-09  0:00                                     ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-10  0:00                                       ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-10  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1999-11-10  0:00                                           ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-10  0:00                                           ` Nick Roberts
1999-11-12  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-12  0:00                                               ` Didier Utheza
1999-11-12  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-12  0:00                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-04  0:00                             ` Ada GC (was Ammo-zilla) Nick Roberts
1999-11-04  0:00                               ` Wes Groleau
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Vladimir Olensky
1999-10-30  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-10-30  0:00               ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-31  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-29  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla Robert I. Eachus
1999-10-28  0:00         ` Ammo-zilla Tucker Taft
1999-10-31  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla Brian Rogoff
1999-11-01  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00               ` Ammo-zilla Brian Rogoff
1999-11-02  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla Brian Rogoff
1999-11-02  0:00               ` Ammo-zilla Robert A Duff
1999-10-31  0:00         ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-24  0:00     ` Ammo-zilla Aidan Skinner
1999-10-25  0:00       ` Ammo-zilla Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-10-24  0:00     ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
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