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From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Code size of Ada ? was Re: Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses.
Date: 1999/10/18
Date: 1999-10-18T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ue1ds$oqi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 37FBA978.A86762F1@mitre.org

In article <37FBA978.A86762F1@mitre.org>,
  "Robert I. Eachus" <eachus@mitre.org> wrote:
>     I think we are talking at cross-purposes here.  On short
sequences
> both you and can generate the sequences we want in our minds,
and
> whether we write those fragments in assembly, or build them
into the
> compiler run-time libraries is immaterial.


No, I was not talking about short sequences here. I have written
many large programs in assembly in the past (probably I have
written about half a million lines of delivered commercial
assembly code). For an example of a fairly large program
written in very aggressive assembly language throughout, about
20K SLOC, look at the 360 implemnetation of SPITBOL (note that
is a COMPLETE, very fast SNOBOL-4 compiler which fits in about
80K bytes of code -- it compiles at many millions of lines
a minute, using the TRT instruction extensively for lexical
analysis).

But I certainly do NOT recommend this style of programming,
an ASM program of this size, written in this manner, is barely
maintainable, and the number of people who can work with such
programs is minimal.

I think it is important to understand that using higher level
languages does have a cost. The objective is to keep the cost
at a reasonable level (many current Java implementations fail
to meet this criterion). With current machines, we can afford
to give up a small factor of inefficiency, but not a large
factor :-)


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  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-10-18  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-09-27  0:00 Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses the middleman
1999-09-27  0:00 ` David Starner
1999-09-28  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00     ` David Starner
1999-09-29  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1999-09-28  0:00     ` David Starner
1999-09-28  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00         ` Ray Blaak
1999-09-28  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00     ` David Starner
1999-09-28  0:00       ` Gautier
1999-09-28  0:00         ` Ed Falis
1999-09-28  0:00           ` David Starner
1999-09-29  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00         ` David Starner
1999-09-29  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00       ` p.obry
1999-09-28  0:00         ` David Starner
1999-09-28  0:00           ` Richard D Riehle
1999-09-28  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00         ` David Starner
1999-09-29  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30  0:00         ` Pragma (was Re: Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses.) Preben Randhol
1999-09-30  0:00           ` Preben Randhol
1999-09-28  0:00       ` Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses Ted Dennison
1999-09-28  0:00         ` Simon Wright
1999-09-28  0:00     ` Code size of Ada ? was " Alfred Hilscher
1999-09-28  0:00       ` Gautier
1999-09-28  0:00       ` David Botton
1999-09-29  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29  0:00         ` Alfred Hilscher
1999-09-29  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30  0:00             ` Alfred Hilscher
1999-09-30  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30  0:00               ` Gautier
1999-09-29  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-29  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29  0:00           ` Alfred Hilscher
1999-09-29  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
1999-09-29  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30  0:00               ` Alfred Hilscher
1999-09-30  0:00                 ` Gautier
1999-09-30  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30  0:00                   ` tmoran
1999-09-30  0:00                   ` Ehud Lamm
1999-09-30  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                       ` <7t2e1l$lqt2@ftp.kvaerner.com>
     [not found]                         ` <37F91D6E.58685CFE@mitre.org>
     [not found]                           ` <7tf7uo$h2b$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
     [not found]                             ` <37FBA978.A86762F1@mitre.org>
1999-10-18  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1999-10-19  0:00                                 ` Code size of Ada ? Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]                           ` <7tf7uo <37FBA978.A86762F1@mitre.org>
     [not found]                             ` <5OkO3.2$1e.659@typhoon.nyu.edu>
1999-10-19  0:00                               ` Code size of Ada ? was Re: Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses Robert I. Eachus
1999-09-29  0:00             ` Gautier
1999-09-29  0:00               ` Ed Falis
1999-09-29  0:00                 ` tmoran
1999-09-29  0:00                 ` Gautier
1999-09-30  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00     ` GNAT listing file default names (was: Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses) Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-28  0:00       ` Gautier
1999-09-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-29  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-30  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00   ` Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses the middleman
1999-09-27  0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-09-27  0:00   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-09-28  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28  0:00       ` Preben Randhol
1999-09-28  0:00         ` bill
1999-09-27  0:00           ` Aidan Skinner
1999-09-28  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-28  0:00           ` Steve Doiel
1999-09-28  0:00           ` Preben Randhol
1999-09-28  0:00     ` Ed Falis
1999-09-28  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-09-28  0:00         ` Ed Falis
1999-09-28  0:00   ` Preben Randhol
1999-09-27  0:00 ` Steve Doiel
1999-09-27  0:00 ` J. David Bryan
1999-09-28  0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-09-29  0:00   ` the middleman
1999-09-29  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1999-09-28  0:00 ` Geoff Bull
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