* windows programming tutorials @ 1999-08-09 0:00 kryptoz 1999-08-09 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner 1999-08-09 0:00 ` David Botton 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: kryptoz @ 1999-08-09 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi all! I've just started with Ada (my first love, er... language) and I really love it (I'm presently tinkering with ASM also - very challenging!). Ada is simply powerful and elegant. I tried different forms of Basic, C, and Euphoria, but it's with Ada that I got stuck with. I'm thinking of doing MS Windows programming using Ada in the very near future (two months at the most :)) when I become a little bit more proficient with the language. I'd like to know if there are any tutorials out there on how I should go about this (I get the impression that tutorials are not as popular with the Ada folks as they are with the ASM cracker/hacker groups). I don't have money right now to invest in ObjectAda nor Claw (the demo versions are practically useless anyway) so I decided to do it the tedious way (I think I'm getting too much influenced by the ASM mentality :)). I'm using GNAT 3.11p for Windows and AdaGIDE and GRASP as IDE's. Thanks in advance! kryptoz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-09 0:00 windows programming tutorials kryptoz @ 1999-08-09 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner 1999-08-09 0:00 ` kryptoz 1999-08-09 0:00 ` David Botton 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Aidan Skinner @ 1999-08-09 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 00:22:45 GMT, kryptoz <kryptoz@my-deja.com> wrote: >language. I'd like to know if there are any tutorials out there on how I There's the lovelace tutorial by David A Wheeler at http://www.adahome.com/Tutorials/Lovelace/lovelace.html >mentality :)). I'm using GNAT 3.11p for Windows and AdaGIDE and GRASP as <mumbles something about emacs being the one true editor> - Aidan -- Gimme money, gimme sex, gimme UNIX and root access. http://www.skinner.demon.co.uk/aidan/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-09 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner @ 1999-08-09 0:00 ` kryptoz 1999-08-10 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: kryptoz @ 1999-08-09 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <slrn7qu0iq.q4.aidan@skinner.demon.co.uk>, aidan@skinner.demon.co.uk wrote: > On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 00:22:45 GMT, kryptoz <kryptoz@my-deja.com> wrote: > > >language. I'd like to know if there are any tutorials out there on how I > > There's the lovelace tutorial by David A Wheeler at > http://www.adahome.com/Tutorials/Lovelace/lovelace.html > > >mentality :)). I'm using GNAT 3.11p for Windows and AdaGIDE and GRASP as > > <mumbles something about emacs being the one true editor> > > - Aidan > -- > Gimme money, gimme sex, gimme UNIX and root access. > http://www.skinner.demon.co.uk/aidan/ The Lovelace tutorial is nice but it doesn't say anything about Win32 programming. Moreover, it doesn't have many code examples (at least the ones I feel are important). Right now I'm reading Feldman and Koffman's "Ada 95 Problem Solving and Program Design" (the electronic edition) and I find it much more useful pedagogically (although I don't agree so much with their not using "use".) I started last Thursday and today I'm struggling to finish the fifth chapter. I hope to finish the book this month and continue with an intermediate/advanced text next month and finish with Win32 programming using Ada in October. Regarding Emacs I have tried it before and I find it very interesting. But right now I'm really concentrated on learning Ada and just don't have the time to learn the intricacies of an editor such as Emacs. kryptoz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-09 0:00 ` kryptoz @ 1999-08-10 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 1999-08-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 1999-08-10 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <7onnql$84p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kryptoz <kryptoz@my-deja.com> wrote: > edition) and I find it much more useful pedagogically (although I don't > agree so much with their not using "use".) I started last Thursday and At the risk of starting it up again, there was a raging debate on this subject a week or two ago. If you have no problem with the "use" clause, you are in good company. But as an anit-user myself, I think you should probably at least hear the arguments on both sides. For that reason I suggest you try to dig up that thread on deja.com next time you get a couple of spare hours. > Regarding Emacs I have tried it before and I find it very interesting. > But right now I'm really concentrated on learning Ada and just don't > have the time to learn the intricacies of an editor such as Emacs. The NT version of emacs is quite usable as an editor by just usnig the arrow keys, the mouse, and the menus. I'd suggest using it like that for starters. You can learn what else is available incrementally. That's how I learned it. -- T.E.D. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-10 0:00 ` Ted Dennison @ 1999-08-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1999-08-11 0:00 ` John Duncan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 1999-08-10 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <7opd3d$cgq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Ted Dennison <dennison@telepath.com> wrote: > The NT version of emacs is quite usable as an editor by just usnig the > arrow keys, the mouse, and the menus. I'd suggest using it like that for > starters. You can learn what else is available incrementally. That's how > I learned it. If you are an NT only user, you probably want to use EMACS configured to have the NT look and feel, rather than the normal Unix L&F. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar @ 1999-08-11 0:00 ` John Duncan 1999-08-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1999-08-11 0:00 ` Geoff Bull 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: John Duncan @ 1999-08-11 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) > If you are an NT only user, you probably want to use EMACS > configured to have the NT look and feel, rather than the > normal Unix L&F. Except that the NT l&f is very, very slow. The beautiful thing about Emacs is having the most used keys on the home row and under the index fingers. If it weren't such a hard habit to break, i'd switch caps-lock to control. I'm not looking to start a war about this, just thought I'd state that everyone should at least *try* the emacs l&f before switching it to NT. -John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-11 0:00 ` John Duncan @ 1999-08-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1999-08-16 0:00 ` John Duncan 1999-08-11 0:00 ` Geoff Bull 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 1999-08-11 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <7oqv9v$7sl$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, "John Duncan" <jddst19+@pitt.edu> wrote: > > Except that the NT l&f is very, very slow. The beautiful thing about Emacs > is having the most used keys on the home row and under the index fingers. > > If it weren't such a hard habit to break, i'd switch caps-lock to control. > > I'm not looking to start a war about this, just thought I'd state that > everyone should at least *try* the emacs l&f before switching it to NT. Well I was simply giving my advice based on experience. Most NT folks will dislke the standard L&F, simply because it is so unfamiliar. The "so slow" comment is probably irrelevant' to many NT users who much prefer using the mouse to cryptic key sequences. The trouble with the standard EMACS L&F is that it can easily put people off completely very quickly if they are used to a windowsy environment, and it is important to know that you do NOT have to live with what you may well perceive (quite reasonably) from a Winwdows point of view as a junky interface. In my experience, the ONLY people who have felt as John does are those who learn EMACS in a Unix environment and then come to a NT environment later. > > -John > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar @ 1999-08-16 0:00 ` John Duncan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: John Duncan @ 1999-08-16 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) > In my experience, the ONLY people who have felt as John does > are those who learn EMACS in a Unix environment and then come > to a NT environment later. > Except John, of course :) -John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-11 0:00 ` John Duncan 1999-08-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar @ 1999-08-11 0:00 ` Geoff Bull 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Geoff Bull @ 1999-08-11 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) John Duncan wrote: > > If it weren't such a hard habit to break, i'd switch caps-lock to control. I did just this on my Sun box, and converted the alt/graph key to a right control key (otherwise typing C-A etc is murder). It is now much easier for me to switch between Sun and Windows keyboards. This doesn't have much to do with Ada, does it? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-09 0:00 windows programming tutorials kryptoz 1999-08-09 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner @ 1999-08-09 0:00 ` David Botton 1999-08-09 0:00 ` tmoran 1999-08-10 0:00 ` kryptoz 1 sibling, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: David Botton @ 1999-08-09 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) See: http://www.adapower.com/windows and http://www.adapower.com/com See the examples there, and take a look at the source code for GWindows, AdaGIDE, Windex, and other open source projects. Also check out Jerry's Ada on Windows site http://stad.dsl.nl/%7Ejvandyk/ David Botton kryptoz wrote in message <7ol70d$e4g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Hi all! > >I've just started with Ada (my first love, er... language) and I really >love it (I'm presently tinkering with ASM also - very challenging!). Ada >is simply powerful and elegant. I tried different forms of Basic, C, and >Euphoria, but it's with Ada that I got stuck with. I'm thinking of doing >MS Windows programming using Ada in the very near future (two months at >the most :)) when I become a little bit more proficient with the >language. I'd like to know if there are any tutorials out there on how I >should go about this (I get the impression that tutorials are not as >popular with the Ada folks as they are with the ASM cracker/hacker >groups). I don't have money right now to invest in ObjectAda nor Claw >(the demo versions are practically useless anyway) so I decided to do it >the tedious way (I think I'm getting too much influenced by the ASM >mentality :)). I'm using GNAT 3.11p for Windows and AdaGIDE and GRASP as >IDE's. >Thanks in advance! > > >kryptoz > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-09 0:00 ` David Botton @ 1999-08-09 0:00 ` tmoran 1999-08-10 0:00 ` kryptoz 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: tmoran @ 1999-08-09 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) > ... and take a look at the source code for GWindows, > AdaGIDE, Windex, and other open source projects. And the 2MB of open .ads & .adb files in the CLAW demo at www.rrsoftware.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-09 0:00 ` David Botton 1999-08-09 0:00 ` tmoran @ 1999-08-10 0:00 ` kryptoz 1999-08-10 0:00 ` David Botton 1999-08-10 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 1 sibling, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: kryptoz @ 1999-08-10 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <7om2kq$214m$1@news.gate.net>, "David Botton" <David@Botton.com> wrote: > See: > > http://www.adapower.com/windows > > and > > http://www.adapower.com/com > > See the examples there, and take a look at the source code for GWindows, > AdaGIDE, Windex, and other open source projects. > > Also check out Jerry's Ada on Windows site http://stad.dsl.nl/% 7Ejvandyk/ > > David Botton > I have visited your site a number of times before already and I find it very nice. In fact I've downloaded some stuff from there and I find them very interesting. But I didn't find any tutorials on Win32 programming using Ada there (nor in Jerry's site). Or maybe I just have to wait till I become more proficient in Ada (and stop being a newbie) and find it out myself? In many asm sites I know there are so many tutorials on Win32 programming using Assembly, but it's very difficult to find such information in Ada sites. It seems like there aren't any newbies amongst Ada programmers. Everyone seems to be a guru. Thanks. kryptos Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-10 0:00 ` kryptoz @ 1999-08-10 0:00 ` David Botton 1999-08-12 0:00 ` kryptoz 1999-08-10 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: David Botton @ 1999-08-10 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Once you learn Ada, a couple of quick looks at some Win32 examples should be enough to transfer over knowledge you have in the C / C++ world for programming Win32. If you don't have a background in Win32 programming then things get a little more difficult. In that case I would first suggest deciding what your goal is, to learn Win32 APIs or to just write Ada software that runs on Windows. The two are different goals with different paths. If you are looking to write Ada software that runs on Windows, learn how to use one of the GUI frameworks from http://www.adapower.com/windows If you are looking to learn Win32, I would recommend Petzold's Programming Windows and translating example by example to Ada as a start. David Botton kryptoz wrote in message <7onqa3$9ol$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > Or maybe I just have >to wait till I become more proficient in Ada (and stop being a newbie) >and find it out myself? In many asm sites I know there are so many >tutorials on Win32 programming using Assembly, but it's very difficult >to find such information in Ada sites. It seems like there aren't any >newbies amongst Ada programmers. Everyone seems to be a guru. >Thanks. > > >kryptos > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-10 0:00 ` David Botton @ 1999-08-12 0:00 ` kryptoz 1999-08-12 0:00 ` jerry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: kryptoz @ 1999-08-12 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <7ooes4$339m$1@news.gate.net>, "David Botton" <David@Botton.com> wrote: > Once you learn Ada, a couple of quick looks at some Win32 examples >should be enough to transfer over knowledge you have in the C / C++ >world for programming Win32. If you don't have a background in Win32 >programming then things get a little more difficult. In that case I >would first suggest deciding what your goal is, to learn Win32 APIs or >to just write Ada software that runs on Windows. The two are different >goals with different paths. > Actually I want both. I want to be able to write software that runs on Windows and also to be able to do Win32 programming using Ada and not C/C++. The first one is of course more easy as there are a number of tools like ObjectAda, Claw, Windex, WinAda, etc.,which one can use (these last two are still a mystery for me at this stage of my Ada ignorance). The second one, I understand, is more difficult as one has to rely on one's own resources to be able to do it, but it gives one more freedom to do whatever one wants. But, of course, first I have to learn well my Ada and then the Win32 APIs :) :). kryptoz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-12 0:00 ` kryptoz @ 1999-08-12 0:00 ` jerry 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Marin David Condic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: jerry @ 1999-08-12 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) kryptoz <kryptoz@my-deja.com> wrote: : Actually I want both. I want to be able to write software that runs on : Windows and also to be able to do Win32 programming using Ada and not : C/C++. You have two challenges ahead of you: a) learn Ada programming b) learn Windows programming and than combine them. Apart from some C-isms remaining in the current Win32 API for Ada, programming Windows applications in Ada is not very much different than programming them in C or C++. -- -- Jerry van Dijk | Leiden, Holland -- Team Ada | jdijk@acm.org -- see http://stad.dsl.nl/~jvandyk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-12 0:00 ` jerry @ 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Marin David Condic 1999-08-12 0:00 ` jerry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 1999-08-12 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) jerry@jvdsys.stuyts.nl wrote: > You have two challenges ahead of you: > > a) learn Ada programming > b) learn Windows programming > > and than combine them. > > Apart from some C-isms remaining in the current Win32 API for Ada, programming > Windows applications in Ada is not very much different than programming them > in C or C++. > Out of curiosity - and respect for your considerable expertise in Win32ada - what books do you recommend as the best way to learn this? I've got a book called Win32 System Services by Marshal Brain which I've found helpful for doing lots of casual hacking, but I'd like to find something a bit more "big picture" and that addressed the GUI stuff as well. MDC -- Marin David Condic Real Time & Embedded Systems, Propulsion Systems Analysis United Technologies, Pratt & Whitney, Large Military Engines M/S 731-95, P.O.B. 109600, West Palm Beach, FL, 33410-9600 ***To reply, remove "bogon" from the domain name.*** Visit my web page at: http://www.mcondic.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Marin David Condic @ 1999-08-12 0:00 ` jerry 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Marin David Condic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: jerry @ 1999-08-12 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Marin David Condic <condicma@bogon.pwfl.com> wrote: : Out of curiosity - and respect for your considerable expertise in Win32ada - what : books do you recommend as the best way to learn this? I've got a book called Win32 : System Services by Marshal Brain which I've found helpful for doing lots of casual : hacking, but I'd like to find something a bit more "big picture" and that : addressed the GUI stuff as well. For the 'big picture' I find Petzhold's book still to be the best (but then, I started OS/2 PM programming many moons ago with his OS/2 PM book). For GUI programming I think that 'Win32 Programming' by Rector & Newcomer (AWL) is one of the best, providing suffient detail (but, think 'Cohen' :-) and am tempted to whisper 'gtk'... For finding specific information, microsofts MSDN site is of course very useful, although for us Ada types, their specifications leave something to be desired. And then, of course, you will need books on the the various specific topics, from winsockets to com, which will start to stack up on your desk, and slowly spread throughout your workspace, fighting for the best spots with your Ada books... -- -- Jerry van Dijk | Leiden, Holland -- Team Ada | jdijk@acm.org -- see http://stad.dsl.nl/~jvandyk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-12 0:00 ` jerry @ 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Marin David Condic 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Stephen Leake 1999-08-13 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 1999-08-12 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) jerry@jvdsys.stuyts.nl wrote: > For the 'big picture' I find Petzhold's book still to be the best (but then, > I started OS/2 PM programming many moons ago with his OS/2 PM book). > Thanks. Do you have a title? I want to call our library and have them order it so I can look it over. Given that Pratt has just announced the closing of the Florida plant, and my fear of Connecticut snowflakes in any quantity makes me reluctant to move, I figure now is a good time to dust off some of the more marketable skills and Win32api is something useful. FWIW, the Marshall Brain book is pretty good for as far as it attempts to go - it just doesn't cover GUI stuff. MDC -- Marin David Condic Real Time & Embedded Systems, Propulsion Systems Analysis United Technologies, Pratt & Whitney, Large Military Engines M/S 731-95, P.O.B. 109600, West Palm Beach, FL, 33410-9600 ***To reply, remove "bogon" from the domain name.*** Visit my web page at: http://www.mcondic.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Marin David Condic @ 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Stephen Leake 1999-08-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic 1999-08-13 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Stephen Leake @ 1999-08-12 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Marin David Condic <condicma@bogon.pwfl.com> writes: > jerry@jvdsys.stuyts.nl wrote: > > > For the 'big picture' I find Petzhold's book still to be the best (but then, > > I started OS/2 PM programming many moons ago with his OS/2 PM book). > > > > Thanks. Do you have a title? I want to call our library and have them order it so I can > look it over. Given that Pratt has just announced the closing of the Florida plant, and > my fear of Connecticut snowflakes in any quantity makes me reluctant to move, I figure > now is a good time to dust off some of the more marketable skills and Win32api is > something useful. FWIW, the Marshall Brain book is pretty good for as far as it attempts > to go - it just doesn't cover GUI stuff. "Programming Windows 95", Charles Petzold, Microsoft Press 1996 "Win32 Programming", Brent E. Rector, Joseph M. Newcomer, Addison-Wesley, 1997 Marin - I heard on the news Pratt & Whitney is moving to Connecticut! Are you going to have to give up your location in the sun? Maybe you'd consider coming to Washington DC and writing Ada for NASA, instead of moving all the way to the Frozen North :). -- Stephe ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Stephen Leake @ 1999-08-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 1999-08-13 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Stephen Leake wrote: > Marin - I heard on the news Pratt & Whitney is moving to Connecticut! > Are you going to have to give up your location in the sun? Maybe you'd > consider coming to Washington DC and writing Ada for NASA, instead of > moving all the way to the Frozen North :). > Actually, to be 100% accurate, they've always been in Connecticut. The plan is to close down the Florida plant and consolidate the Large Military Engine business with the Commercial Engine business. There are actually a fair amount of contract issues and security problems that have to be worked out, but the executive committee seems determined to move ahead with it. Washington DC? Become a Beltway Bandit? Sounds entertaining, but my current (and I stress *current*) plan is to try to remain in South Florida and not have to sell my house while 4000 other houses in the North County area go up on the block. I'm open to short-term contract positions as long as the money and conditions are right. Anything else, I'm willing to consider if the situation sounds interesting enough. Go check out my resume on my web site. Thanks for showing some concern about it. The whole thing has everyone down here a little depressed and stressed out. Eventually, it will all work itself out, but in the mean time, we're in for a rocky road. I just hope that all this doesn't endanger the F22 program. They sure don't need any additional trouble these days. :-) MDC -- Marin David Condic Real Time & Embedded Systems, Propulsion Systems Analysis United Technologies, Pratt & Whitney, Large Military Engines M/S 731-95, P.O.B. 109600, West Palm Beach, FL, 33410-9600 ***To reply, remove "bogon" from the domain name.*** Visit my web page at: http://www.mcondic.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Marin David Condic 1999-08-12 0:00 ` Stephen Leake @ 1999-08-13 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 1999-08-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic 1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 1999-08-13 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <37B33248.AACCF655@pwfl.com>, e108678@pwflcom wrote: > look it over. Given that Pratt has just announced the closing of the > Florida plant, and my fear of Connecticut snowflakes in any quantity > makes me reluctant to move, I figure now is a good time to dust off > some of the more marketable skills and Win32api is something useful. Back in '94 when Martin Marietta (now LMC) started consolidating plants with the newly acquired GE Aerospace plants, they decided that one particlar operation in Vermont would be moved to Orlando. Of course they sent out offers to all the engineers to move to the Orlando plant. Only a couple of engineers agreed, and they were both very junior. The rest of the engineers threatened to start up a competeing company in the newly-abandoned plant (with much cheaper rent). The operation ended up staying in Vermont. (not that I'm suggesting anything...) -- T.E.D. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-13 0:00 ` Ted Dennison @ 1999-08-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic 1999-08-16 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread From: Marin David Condic @ 1999-08-13 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Ted Dennison wrote: > Back in '94 when Martin Marietta (now LMC) started consolidating plants > with the newly acquired GE Aerospace plants, they decided that one > particlar operation in Vermont would be moved to Orlando. Of course they > sent out offers to all the engineers to move to the Orlando plant. Only > a couple of engineers agreed, and they were both very junior. The rest > of the engineers threatened to start up a competeing company in the > newly-abandoned plant (with much cheaper rent). > > The operation ended up staying in Vermont. > > (not that I'm suggesting anything...) > -- Pretty clever! Not that I'm shooting the idea down - or considering a revolution - but I think it would be very difficult to do that here. A "competing" business would be one that was making large military jet engines. Not something you can easily get venture capital to back & contracts being as scarce as they are, you could be waiting for years just to be able to bid on something. Even if you broaden the scope to include all jet/rocket endeavors, it would be hard to start from bottom-dead-center and get a marketable product off the ground in some reasonable span of time. Coupled with the fact that the industry is plateaued and probably in decline, it wouldn't pay off as well as some other industries might. Now figuring out some other use for the facilities & making a bid on it might be more likely to succeed.... But this is, of course, way off topic. Unless we figure out how to do a start-up with the Ada engineers that are suddenly willing to consider a career change. (Hmmmmm.......) MDC -- Marin David Condic Real Time & Embedded Systems, Propulsion Systems Analysis United Technologies, Pratt & Whitney, Large Military Engines M/S 731-95, P.O.B. 109600, West Palm Beach, FL, 33410-9600 ***To reply, remove "bogon" from the domain name.*** Visit my web page at: http://www.mcondic.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic @ 1999-08-16 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 1999-08-16 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <37B490B1.4FDDB063@pwfl.com>, e108678@pwflcom wrote: > think it would be very difficult to do that here. A "competing" business > would be one that was making large military jet engines. Not something you > can easily get venture capital to back & contracts being as scarce as they Well, I guess my main point was the very small amount of folks that were enticed to move from New England to Florida. One would think it would be even tougher to get folks to move the other way. Any projects that move w/o any of their engineers are going to be DOA. It may be unusual for a large company to stare into the face of stark reality and make the intelligent decision, but it wouldn't be unprecidented. As for the rest: if it gives you ideas or just cheers you up, more's the better. -- T.E.D. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
* Re: windows programming tutorials 1999-08-10 0:00 ` kryptoz 1999-08-10 0:00 ` David Botton @ 1999-08-10 0:00 ` Ted Dennison 1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread From: Ted Dennison @ 1999-08-10 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <7onqa3$9ol$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kryptoz <kryptoz@my-deja.com> wrote: > In article <7om2kq$214m$1@news.gate.net>, > and find it out myself? In many asm sites I know there are so many > tutorials on Win32 programming using Assembly, but it's very difficult > to find such information in Ada sites. It seems like there aren't any That's a bit more understandable for an Assembly site, because Assembly is a completely different programming paradigm than C. Ada and C are both procedural languages, so the basics of doing Win32 programming in Ada are not significatly changed from doing it in C. There are some rather stark differences between the two, but generally those differences need have little impact on Win32 programming. If you want, you can take a set of thin bindings and a C-based tutorial and you should have little trouble. -- T.E.D. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 24+ messages in thread
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