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From: "Richard  Riehle" <adaworks@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 03:37:39 GMT
Date: 2004-02-10T03:37:39+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7mYVb.18151$F23.15120@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: c8xVb.18716$GO6.10773@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net

Language advocacy can be an entertaining activity on a cold winter's
evening,
but even the most ardent enthusiasts for one language or another will
eventually
admit that languages are nothing more than tools for composing computer
programs.   The good craftsperson selects the appropriate tool for the job
at hand.

During my forty-plus year career I have had to use a variety of different
programming languages.  In some cases I have had to construct fairly
large programs.  Other times, my programs were small parts of much
larger systems.

During the past four years (actually longer if I count preparation time), I
have
had to put to use, engage, and confront several newer language offerings. Of
these new offerings, I rather like some aspects of Ruby, some ideas in C#,
and have gained a new level of respect for certain functional languages.

Still, each of these new languages is a tool.   My responsibility, as a
computer
software practitioner, is to understand when to pick the right tool for the
right
job.  On a large-scale project, I must realize that several different
languages
might be required.   Also, some people will be more skilled with one
language
than another or some pre-existing code might be better suited to the
solution
than brand-new code in the latest whiz-bang language.

Under some circumstances, C++ is a perfectly appropriate choice. It is no
better than Ada for these circumstances, but it is acceptable.   In some
other
set of circumstances, Ada is a perfectly good choice.  Again, it is no
better
than C++, but works out just fine.

There are still other problems where language choice does matter.   For
programming
an small microcomputer (e.g. I-8051) C is almost always a better choice than
either Ada or C++.   For large, mainframe data processing systems, modern
COBOL
(Yes, COBOL has been modernized) is probably a better choice.    The worst
possible choice for those mainframe systems is probably C++, but lots of
irresponsible
software managers are allowing such code to disrupt their development cycle.

For windows  (MS) programming, C++ still has some edge over Ada simply
because it is
more closely associated with the MS programming libraries.  However, I have
been involved
in a least one significant project where Ada proved more portable across
more kinds of
windows environments than C++.

We select Ada when dependability is an issue.   A clear requirement of safe
software is
that of predictability.   C++ is well-known to be the source of much that is
unpredictable.
We certainly do not want to use tools with inherent unpredicatbility in the
creation of
predictable, deterministic software solutions.   In such cases, Ada is the
correct tool.
Some might suggest that Eiffel also fits that description.   The language
definition for
Eiffel probably does.  One needs to examine implementations to determine
whether
the result will involve complete predictability.

Meanwhile,  SQL remains useful.   Visual Basic is a good tool for those
applications
that lend themselves to such solutions.   Java is good for a limited range
of things, but
is used for more things than it is good for.   C++ continues to have much to
recommend it.

People do not select their programming tools as wisely as they select their
carpentry
tools.  Usually, someone learns a language and sticks with it they way some
people
stick with the same religion into which they were born, or the same
political party
into which they were born.

The religiofication of language arguments leads nowhere.   Reasonable people
must understand
that languages are designed by people, and every language is flawed in one
way or another.  We
must admit the flaws in our preferred language before the other fellow will
admit the flaws in
his/her preferred language.  As we do so, we might just come up with some
ideas for the next
improved language rather than remain paralyzed with the our current
favorite.

Richard Riehle





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2004-02-07  8:50 ` No call for it Carroll-Tech
2004-02-07 13:00   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-07 13:19     ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-07 14:56     ` David Harmon
2004-02-07 15:03     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-08 12:12       ` Simon Wright
2004-02-09  2:36         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-07 19:24     ` MSG
2004-02-07 19:32       ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-07 22:47       ` Keith Thompson
2004-02-07 23:19       ` tmoran
2004-02-08  3:15       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-08 12:57         ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-02 23:18         ` Beth Bruzan
2004-04-03  0:08           ` David Starner
2004-04-03  0:33             ` Ed Falis
2004-04-03 13:11               ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03  9:13             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 11:51               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 15:09                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-03 17:14                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 22:26                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-04  6:41                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-04 10:00                   ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-04 12:38                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-04-05 18:07                     ` No call for Ada Marc A. Criley
2004-04-05 21:16                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 11:00                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 22:09                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 22:20                       ` chris
2004-04-06 13:25                         ` Marc A. Criley
2004-04-07  1:17                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-03 22:59               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-04  0:33                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-04  9:57               ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-03  9:21           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 13:06           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 14:12             ` James Rogers
2004-04-03 14:29               ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 16:54                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 19:46                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 19:58                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 12:30                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-16  1:21                       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-16 11:27                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-16 13:00                           ` No call for it Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-16 16:39                             ` Martin Dowie
2004-04-16 19:45                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-05 12:10                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 20:38                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-05 22:50                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-06  8:17                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  2:15                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  2:55                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new Wes Groleau
2004-04-07  9:34                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  9:34                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07 11:38                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:18                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-08  9:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 11:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08 20:46                                     ` No call for Ada Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-09 11:26                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09 15:50                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 11:34                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08  2:29                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-08  9:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 16:49                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-09 11:34                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-10  0:51                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-10 10:49                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11  3:10                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-11 10:31                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11 21:47                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-12 10:29                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-13  0:36                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-13 10:55                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-13 22:44                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-13 23:32                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-14  8:49                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-14 23:22                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-15 10:37                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-16  2:47                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-16 11:36                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-16 13:52                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-16 17:37                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-17  2:34                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-17  8:08                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-17 18:07                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-18  8:24                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-19  1:53                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-19 14:29                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-20  1:41                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-20  8:12                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-20 11:33                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-21  2:51                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-21  9:29                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-21 11:58                                                                                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-21 11:50                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 13:38                                                                                             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-21 13:58                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 15:30                                                                                                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22  7:49                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-21 15:27                                                                                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-22 11:50                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-22 14:14                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-22 15:56                                                                                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22 15:42                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-24  3:36                                                                                                       ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-21 17:48                                                                                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-22  3:16                                                                                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22  8:32                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-24  3:32                                                                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-22  8:43                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 13:57                                                                                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-21 14:02                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-22  1:16                                                                                           ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-22 14:09                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-22 14:10                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-22  3:15                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-22  8:22                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-23  2:30                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-23  8:08                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-24  1:28                                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-26  8:06                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-26 15:54                                                                                                     ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-27  3:26                                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-27  8:11                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-27 14:25                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-28  2:03                                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-28 12:12                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-29  3:41                                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-29 10:36                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-29 15:49                                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-30 10:56                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30 15:29                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03  7:55                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 19:10                                                                                                                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-03 11:17                                                                                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:46                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30  1:47                                                                                                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-30 12:57                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30 15:44                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03  9:17                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 11:46                                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:17                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-01  2:38                                                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-03  9:58                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 12:06                                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:31                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 15:10                                                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04  8:23                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04 12:21                                                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04 13:09                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-05  8:44                                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04 13:56                                                                                                                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-05-04 14:48                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04  3:11                                                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-04  8:47                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04 20:34                                                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-05  8:29                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 15:04                                                                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
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2004-04-30 20:30                                                                                                                   ` [OT] price of doing science (was: No call for Ada...) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-15 14:25                                                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-13 12:57                                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing newscripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-14  0:11                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-14 11:43                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-13 21:09                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-15 16:10                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-06  8:32                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-17  0:12                             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-17 10:29                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-17 17:40                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-04-17 18:13                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 23:30                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-06 11:59                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 13:25                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 17:18                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 18:30                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 20:59                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 22:54                               ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  8:23                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  1:10                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-06 22:07                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-06 19:07                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-06 21:20                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-06 21:22                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07  0:31                             ` David Starner
2004-04-07  2:48                               ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-07  8:43                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:23                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-07 17:40                               ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-07 22:14                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-07 22:44                                   ` Ed Falis
2004-04-07 23:06                                     ` Szymon Guz
2004-04-08 17:34                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-08 11:46                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-08 13:53                                           ` No call for Ada Samuel Tardieu
2004-04-08  9:18                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-08 13:39                                       ` Ed Falis
2004-04-08  3:51                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-08 18:36                                   ` chris
2004-04-08 18:43                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-04-08 19:09                                       ` chris
2004-04-09  0:18                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-04-09  1:29                                           ` chris
2004-04-09 11:48                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09  0:12                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-09 11:37                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 16:38                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-09 15:44                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-09 15:55                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 19:28                                   ` Robert Spooner
2004-04-09 21:01                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-04-10 19:27                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 20:06                                       ` tmoran
2004-04-10 20:16                                         ` Ed Falis
2004-04-10 21:38                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 23:23                                           ` tmoran
2004-04-11  4:06                                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-11  9:52                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-12  3:30                                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-12  9:16                                                   ` chris
2004-04-12 11:25                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 11:47                                                       ` chris
2004-04-12 12:27                                                         ` chris
2004-04-12 15:43                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11  0:16                                           ` Ed Falis
2004-04-11 13:10                                           ` Stephen Leake
2004-04-11 13:48                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 22:34                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-14 11:41                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 14:12                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-14 17:52                                                 ` No call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-15 16:17                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-15 11:22                                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 19:22                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-15 11:38                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 22:11                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-11  1:01                                       ` Call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-11  4:08                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-11 14:02                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11 13:55                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11 23:56                                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-12 11:29                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08 18:50                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) chris
2004-04-09 15:48                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-13 14:14                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-15  2:12                                 ` Alan Anderson
2004-04-15 21:50                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-17 11:59                                     ` David Starner
2004-04-17 11:31                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-17 13:58                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-17 17:53                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-17 18:19                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 20:26                                         ` Character encodings Björn Persson
2004-04-17 20:34                                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 22:28                                             ` Björn Persson
2004-04-17 22:38                                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-18  4:10                                           ` David Starner
2004-04-18 18:49                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-19  5:02                                               ` David Starner
2004-04-20 16:07                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-23 19:48                                                   ` Internationalization/localization (Was: No call for Ada) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-04-23 20:16                                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-04-17 23:30                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-18 22:20                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-20  1:02                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-20  4:51                                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-17 22:23                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-18  0:07                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-18  3:57                                         ` David Starner
2004-04-18 19:27                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-07  1:07                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-06 17:28                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:34                               ` chris
2004-04-07 13:54                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 19:17                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing newscripting/prototypinglanguage) Randy Brukardt
2004-04-06 23:35                               ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-17  0:38                               ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-03 16:31               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-04  0:30                 ` James Rogers
2004-04-04 21:36                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-05 12:34                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  1:58             ` No call for Ada Berend de Boer
2004-02-08 13:05       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Martin Krischik
2004-02-08 16:20         ` Josh Sebastian
2004-02-08 18:02           ` Martin Krischik
2004-02-08 19:06             ` Josh Sebastian
2004-02-08 20:39               ` Martin Ambuhl
2004-02-10  3:37                 ` Richard  Riehle [this message]
2004-02-10  7:07                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-10 22:03                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-11 19:26                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-11 20:11                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-11 21:09                         ` Imperialism (OT) (Was: No call for Ada) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-12 18:46                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-13 21:15                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-12  2:57                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander Kopilovitch
2004-02-13 22:47                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-14  4:48                             ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-15 21:53                               ` Comparative military mythology (was: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)) Björn Persson
2004-02-15 22:12                                 ` Ed Falis
2004-02-16 16:39                                   ` Björn Persson
2004-02-15 22:40                                 ` Frode Tennebø
2004-02-15 22:15                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-02-18 11:28                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2004-02-12 13:55                         ` Reivilo Snuved
2004-02-12  1:02                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-12 16:56                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-10 18:39                   ` Ed Falis
2004-02-12  1:21                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-09 11:20               ` Thomas Stegen CES2000
2004-02-08 23:25         ` MSG
2004-02-09  0:11           ` James Rogers
2004-02-10  2:26             ` MSG
2004-02-10  2:37               ` Ed Falis
2004-02-10  2:45               ` James Rogers
2004-02-11 11:04                 ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 12:13                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-11 12:51                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-11 21:04                   ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 10:05               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-10 11:08                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 14:13                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-10 14:11                     ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 20:49                       ` Mark McIntyre
2004-02-11  0:12                       ` August Derleth
2004-02-16 14:46                   ` The inner workings of Gnat (was: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)) Björn Persson
2004-02-16 17:59                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-02-16 18:18                       ` The inner workings of Gnat Björn Persson
2004-02-11  2:19                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) MSG
2004-02-11  6:30                   ` James Rogers
2004-02-12 23:20                     ` Ada performance (was No call for Ada ) MSG
2004-02-13  0:19                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-13  1:32                       ` Greg Lindahl
2004-02-13  4:18                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-13  1:39                       ` James Rogers
2004-02-13  1:42                         ` Richard Heathfield
2004-02-12 19:23                           ` Larry Hazel
2004-02-13  4:06                           ` James Rogers
2004-02-13  6:37                       ` Per Sandberg
2004-02-13 13:36                         ` James Rogers
2004-02-13 15:09                       ` Jan C. Vorbrüggen
2004-02-13 17:06                         ` Rich Townsend
2004-02-19  9:19                           ` Jan C. Vorbrüggen
2004-02-15 19:17                       ` Joona I Palaste
2004-02-11  9:22                   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-11 13:10                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-11 14:23                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-12 12:49                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-12 13:54                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-13 13:01                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-13 15:41                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-12 15:37                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-13 13:11                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-13 16:41                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-14  8:53                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-14 21:54                       ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-15 14:15                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-17  9:19                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Jerry Coffin
2004-02-17 12:23                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-17 23:20                             ` David Starner
2004-02-11 16:06                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Xenos
2004-02-11 16:47                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 17:42                         ` Xenos
2004-02-11 18:23                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 20:55                             ` Xenos
2004-02-11 22:58                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-17  9:14                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-02-10 10:10               ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-10 11:13                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 16:46                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-11 23:29                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-10 12:52               ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-09  1:24           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-11 11:03             ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 21:13               ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-12  3:12                 ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-12  3:36                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-12 17:44                     ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-13  0:00                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-13  5:18                         ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-13 11:04                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-13 14:34                             ` Peter Amey
2004-02-14  5:43                             ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-14  5:54                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-18 17:18                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-18 19:13                                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-17  1:21                       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-17  8:26                         ` Peter Amey
2004-02-18 17:22                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-18 18:55                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-20 21:31                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-21 21:47                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-25 17:45                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-26 12:45                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 13:30                           ` sk
2004-02-26 19:43                           ` Keith Thompson
2004-02-26 22:36                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 22:52                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-02-27  0:50                               ` David Starner
2004-02-25 18:59                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-25 19:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26  9:16                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-26 12:52                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 14:36                           ` Hyman Rosen
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2004-02-28  4:21                       ` Those "home hobbyists..." (was: No call for Ada) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-28  8:06                         ` tmoran
2004-02-28 13:28                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-28 16:23                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-28 18:47                             ` tmoran
2004-03-03 17:27                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-12  8:43                   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-12 17:44                     ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 19:31             ` Rob Thorpe
2004-02-11 21:03               ` Chris Torek
2004-02-09  9:55           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 10:19         ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 15:34           ` Pat Rogers
2004-02-17  1:14           ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-07 21:03     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08  0:25     ` David Starner
2004-02-08  1:00       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-08  2:29         ` David Starner
2004-02-08 16:02           ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08 20:55             ` David Starner
2004-02-09 17:39               ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08  2:54       ` Nick Landsberg
2004-02-07 16:51   ` No call for it Jano
2004-02-07 17:53     ` Ed Falis
2004-02-10 11:13 No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) christoph.grein
2004-02-10 13:00 ` Marin David Condic
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