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From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Ada and Java. different behaviour. casting long to int problem.
Date: 1999/06/22
Date: 1999-06-22T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7kp3f2$m9i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3766C842.E1EAB60A@pwfl.com

In article <3766C842.E1EAB60A@pwfl.com>,
  diespammer@pwfl.com wrote:

> The people burnt to a crisp in the crash of an
> airplane aren't going to care that "The Programmer Should Have
> Read The
> Standard Better." Dead is just as dead if it was the compiler
> that was
> at fault. What the programmer *should* do is mostly
> irrelevant. What the
> programmer is *likely* to do is go with all of his years of
> grade school
> arithmetic and casually believe that X := X + 1 will yield the
> expected result.

This is unrealistic. The idea that safety critical software
depends on programmers doing the right thing on the basis of
"casual belief" is way off the mark.

In fact an unanticipated overflow causing an exception may be
as dangerous, if not MORE dangerous than an ignored overflow
(Ariane 5 was a nice demonstration of this).

In practice in safety critical software, formal verification
and certification techniques are used to ensure that NEITHER
event happens.

Don't worry, when you fly on a plane, regardless of the language
used, you are not at the mercy of programmers doing *anything*
casually. Safety critical software just does not work this way!


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  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-06-22  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-06-12  0:00 Ada and Java. different behaviour. casting long to int problem nabbasi
1999-06-12  0:00 ` nabbasi
1999-06-12  0:00   ` jerry
1999-06-12  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-14  0:00       ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-12  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-12  0:00   ` PPAATT
1999-06-12  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1999-06-12  0:00     ` kirck
1999-06-13  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-12  0:00         ` Fred
1999-06-14  0:00           ` Mark Hood
1999-06-15  0:00             ` mike
1999-06-15  0:00               ` D'Arcy Smith
1999-06-16  0:00                 ` George W. Bayles
1999-06-16  0:00                   ` D'Arcy Smith
1999-06-17  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-17  0:00                   ` Aidan Skinner
1999-06-15  0:00               ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-15  0:00                 ` Mike Silva
1999-06-15  0:00                   ` rich
1999-06-15  0:00                     ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-15  0:00                       ` D'Arcy Smith
1999-06-15  0:00                         ` Keith Thompson
1999-06-16  0:00                           ` D'Arcy Smith
1999-06-16  0:00                           ` bill
1999-06-16  0:00                             ` George W. Bayles
1999-06-16  0:00                               ` Fraser Wilson
1999-06-17  0:00                               ` Chris Dollin
1999-06-17  0:00                               ` Aidan Skinner
1999-06-17  0:00                                 ` David Botton
1999-06-18  0:00                                   ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-18  0:00                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-18  0:00                                     ` David Botton
1999-06-18  0:00                                       ` Pascal Obry
1999-07-20  0:00                             ` Geoff Bull
1999-06-16  0:00                         ` George W. Bayles
1999-06-16  0:00                           ` D'Arcy Smith
1999-06-16  0:00                           ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-17  0:00                             ` George W. Bayles
1999-06-17  0:00                               ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-17  0:00                                 ` bob
1999-06-16  0:00                           ` D'Arcy Smith
1999-06-17  0:00                           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-16  0:00                         ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-16  0:00                         ` Mike Silva
1999-06-16  0:00                           ` D'Arcy Smith
1999-06-16  0:00                             ` kirk
1999-06-16  0:00                               ` D'Arcy Smith
1999-06-17  0:00                                 ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-17  0:00                                   ` D'Arcy Smith
1999-06-17  0:00                                   ` john
1999-06-17  0:00                                     ` Ed Falis
1999-06-18  0:00                                     ` Aidan Skinner
1999-06-16  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-17  0:00                                 ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-17  0:00                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-06-17  0:00                                   ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-17  0:00                                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-06-17  0:00                                       ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-22  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-22  0:00                                           ` Keith Thompson
1999-06-23  0:00                                             ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-24  0:00                                               ` Robert A Duff
1999-06-24  0:00                                                 ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-23  0:00                                           ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-18  0:00                                       ` Aidan Skinner
1999-06-17  0:00                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-06-17  0:00                                   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-17  0:00                                     ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-17  0:00                                     ` bob
1999-06-18  0:00                                       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-18  0:00                                         ` mike
1999-06-18  0:00                                           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-19  0:00                                             ` Samuel Mize
1999-06-21  0:00                                               ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-19  0:00                                             ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-21  0:00                                               ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-21  0:00                                             ` Mike Silva
1999-06-20  0:00                                 ` Sera Hirasuna
1999-06-19  0:00                                   ` Kio
1999-06-20  0:00                                   ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-06-21  0:00                                   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-21  0:00                                   ` Samuel T. Harris
1999-06-22  0:00                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-06-23  0:00                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-23  0:00                                       ` Aidan Skinner
1999-06-22  0:00                                     ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-17  0:00                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-06-22  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1999-06-23  0:00                         ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-23  0:00                           ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-06-23  0:00                             ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-23  0:00                             ` Roedy Green
1999-06-23  0:00                               ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-23  0:00                                 ` Keith Thompson
1999-06-24  0:00                                   ` Mike Silva
1999-06-24  0:00                                   ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-15  0:00                     ` tmoran
1999-06-15  0:00                       ` David Botton
1999-06-16  0:00                       ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-16  0:00                       ` Samuel Mize
1999-06-15  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-06-16  0:00                 ` Mark Hood
1999-06-17  0:00                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-06-17  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-06-17  0:00                   ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-15  0:00               ` Samuel Mize
1999-06-15  0:00                 ` jerry
1999-06-16  0:00                   ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-16  0:00                     ` jerry
1999-06-17  0:00             ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-17  0:00               ` David Botton
1999-06-13  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-14  0:00     ` tmoran
1999-06-30  0:00       ` John Merryweather Cooper
1999-07-01  0:00         ` Chad R. Meiners
1999-07-02  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-07-02  0:00             ` John Merryweather Cooper
1999-07-03  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
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