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From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: How many different processors do you use?
Date: 1999/06/11
Date: 1999-06-11T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7jro57$nti$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 19990610.7A689D8.FF4B@mojaveg.ridgecrest.ca.us

In article <19990610.7A689D8.FF4B@mojaveg.ridgecrest.ca.us>,
  mojaveg@ridgecrest.ca.us (Everett M. Greene) wrote:

It is hard to know if it is worth answering these points, or
whether this is just a troll, but I will give Everett the
benefit of the doubt :-)

> It took 16 years to produce something which is useful?

No one said that Ada 83 was not useful, a lot of VERY
successful, VERY useful software was written in Ada 83.
Ada 95 is an improvement, but surely you don't think that
all Ford motorcars before 1999 are useless just because
there is a new improved model in 1999!

> And this is after it took 10+ years to get to the `83
> product

Actually it was much less than ten years.

But this is a bit silly in any case. You might as well complain
that C++ has by these standards taken well over 30 years, given
that the original version of C is that old, or that Fortran and
COBOL have taken forty years.

> To say that this speed is glacial is an insult to glaciers

It is of course this silly witicism that makes me think this
is really a troll, but again giving Everett the benefit of the
doubt, standardizing a programming language is a very complex
task. What surprises people in the field is how fast this
process went. We certainly have no examples of the process
going faster, and in particular for example, it took a very
long time to standardize C++, and we still have very few C++
compilers that implement the full ISO standard.

Note that by comparison, Java standardization has just moved
back to square one, with no progress at all, given Sun's
decision that they cannot work with ISO. It may be a long long
wait before Java has an international standard.


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1999-06-08  0:00         ` How many different processors do you use? muddy_buddy
1999-06-08  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00             ` Something doesn't compute here (was Re: How many different processors do you use?) David Kristola
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Jerry Petrey
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` Jim Prince
1999-06-12  0:00                   ` Aidan Skinner
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Elizabeth D Rather
1999-06-09  0:00             ` How many different processors do you use? muddy_buddy
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` tmoran
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` tmoran
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` tmoran
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-11  0:00                         ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-12  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-12  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` dennison
1999-06-10  0:00                         ` Robert B. Love 
1999-06-11  0:00                           ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` rawcswi
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` rawcswi
1999-06-20  0:00                       ` Eric Roesinger
1999-06-09  0:00           ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-09  0:00             ` Jon Kirwan
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Ada95 (was: How many different processors do you use?) Markus Kuhn
1999-06-09  0:00               ` How many different processors do you use? Ed Avis
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Jon Kirwan
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-09  0:00               ` dennison
1999-06-10  0:00               ` John Kodis
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` Keith Thompson
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` martin lytz
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Steve O'Neill
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` Fraser Wilson
     [not found]                     ` <7jpb1e$ic8$1@remarq.com>
1999-06-11  0:00                       ` fraser
1999-06-11  0:00                         ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-11  0:00                     ` David Botton
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-10  0:00             ` Greg Martin
1999-06-10  0:00             ` Everett M. Greene
1999-06-11  0:00               ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-11  0:00               ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1999-06-11  0:00                 ` Dave Hansen
1999-06-11  0:00                   ` martin lytz
1999-06-12  0:00                 ` Roger Espel Llima
1999-06-12  0:00               ` markh
1999-06-12  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-13  0:00                   ` markh
1999-06-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-25  0:00                       ` Lew Pitcher
1999-06-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-28  0:00                           ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-28  0:00                             ` Dan Nagle
1999-06-28  0:00                         ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-28  0:00                           ` Michael A. Covington
1999-06-28  0:00                             ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-29  0:00                               ` Michael A. Covington
1999-06-29  0:00                                 ` Richard Kettlewell
1999-06-30  0:00                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-07-08  0:00                                     ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-07-09  0:00                                       ` no-one
1999-06-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-12  0:00               ` mjsilva
1999-06-14  0:00                 ` Everett M. Greene
1999-06-25  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-26  0:00                     ` Everett M. Greene
1999-06-28  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00           ` Matt Cox
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