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From: David95037@spammenot.com (David Kristola)
Subject: Something doesn't compute here (was Re: How many different processors do you use?)
Date: 1999/06/09
Date: 1999-06-09T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7jl0jt$qve3@svlss.lmms.lmco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7jk7hk$36s$1@nnrp1.deja.com

In article 1@nnrp1.deja.com, Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> () writes:
>In article <7jjij7$qci$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>  muddy_buddy@my-deja.com wrote:

{snip}

>> 6. All of the above has created a situlation, where staffing
>> Ada programmers is very, very difficult.
>
>No, not so difficult.
>
>> Many companies have given up and switched back to C/C++
>> including mine.
>
>Some have, some haven't.
>
>> This problem was made much worst by the current engineering
>> market, where people need and want to be able to move often.
>> Knowing Ada is not a big plus outside defense
>> and a few related fields.
>
>Let me get this right. On the one hand it is impossible to find
>Ada programmers, on the other hand knowing Ada is not a valuable
>job skill. SOmething doesn't compute here :-)

IMO, there seem to be two factors moving companies and people
away from Ada:

1. Companies don't want to train people (it costs money).
2. Ada knowledgeable software engineers are rare and therefore
expensive, and companies would rather have a cheap workforce.

While it is most likely true that experienced people working
with the support of a language like Ada can probably out
produce (per their cost) entry level <fill in popular language
name> coders, this does not seem to be taken as pertinent where
the decisions are made.

Welcome to the race for the bottom (line).

--djk, keeper of arcane lore & trivial fluff
Home: David95037 at aol dot com
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Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <37576ded.26569745@news.mpx.com.au>
     [not found]   ` <7j8ac0$eah$1@uranium.btinternet.com>
     [not found]     ` <7jh07e$tek$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
     [not found]       ` <7jhp34$6f1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>
1999-06-08  0:00         ` How many different processors do you use? muddy_buddy
1999-06-08  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00             ` David Kristola [this message]
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Something doesn't compute here (was Re: How many different processors do you use?) Elizabeth D Rather
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Jerry Petrey
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` Jim Prince
1999-06-12  0:00                   ` Aidan Skinner
1999-06-09  0:00             ` How many different processors do you use? muddy_buddy
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` tmoran
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` tmoran
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-11  0:00                         ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-12  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-12  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` tmoran
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` dennison
1999-06-10  0:00                         ` Robert B. Love 
1999-06-11  0:00                           ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` rawcswi
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` rawcswi
1999-06-20  0:00                       ` Eric Roesinger
1999-06-09  0:00           ` Matt Cox
1999-06-09  0:00           ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-09  0:00             ` Jon Kirwan
1999-06-09  0:00               ` dennison
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Ed Avis
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Jon Kirwan
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Ada95 (was: How many different processors do you use?) Markus Kuhn
1999-06-10  0:00               ` How many different processors do you use? John Kodis
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` Keith Thompson
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` martin lytz
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Steve O'Neill
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` Fraser Wilson
     [not found]                     ` <7jpb1e$ic8$1@remarq.com>
1999-06-11  0:00                       ` fraser
1999-06-11  0:00                         ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-11  0:00                     ` David Botton
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-10  0:00             ` Greg Martin
1999-06-10  0:00             ` Everett M. Greene
1999-06-11  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-11  0:00                 ` Dave Hansen
1999-06-11  0:00                   ` martin lytz
1999-06-12  0:00                 ` Roger Espel Llima
1999-06-11  0:00               ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-12  0:00               ` mjsilva
1999-06-14  0:00                 ` Everett M. Greene
1999-06-25  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-26  0:00                     ` Everett M. Greene
1999-06-28  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-12  0:00               ` markh
1999-06-12  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-13  0:00                   ` markh
1999-06-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-25  0:00                       ` Lew Pitcher
1999-06-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-28  0:00                           ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-28  0:00                             ` Dan Nagle
1999-06-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-28  0:00                         ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-28  0:00                           ` Michael A. Covington
1999-06-28  0:00                             ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-29  0:00                               ` Michael A. Covington
1999-06-29  0:00                                 ` Richard Kettlewell
1999-06-30  0:00                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-07-08  0:00                                     ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-07-09  0:00                                       ` no-one
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