* Java Out, Linux In @ 1999-06-04 0:00 Jean-Marten Marchi 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Jean-Marten Marchi @ 1999-06-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Just for information http://linuxtoday.com/stories/6479.html " Wyse technology has pulled Java from its top-of-the-line thin client workstations in favor of Linux. Wyse will include a customized version of Linux when it ships the Winterm 5000 series of diskless terminals on 14 June. The first Linux box from Wyse will store the operating system on 32 MB of flash RAM and can connect to Windows NT, Unix, or Linux servers. Wyse abandoned a previous generation of Java-based thin clients after only a few months due to poor performance of the operating system. " I haven't found the thread's title but it's a good summary. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Java Out, Linux In 1999-06-04 0:00 Java Out, Linux In Jean-Marten Marchi @ 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1999-06-04 0:00 ` dennison 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Larry Kilgallen @ 1999-06-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) > http://linuxtoday.com/stories/6479.html > > " Wyse technology has pulled Java from its > top-of-the-line thin client workstations in > favor of Linux. Well, if they abandon a language in favor of an operating system, who could argue ? I think I will trade my lawnmower in for an OO methodology. Larry Kilgallen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Java Out, Linux In 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen @ 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1999-06-04 0:00 ` dennison 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 1999-06-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <1999Jun4.062135.1@eisner>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam wrote: > Well, if they abandon a language in favor of an operating > system, who could argue ? I think I will trade my lawnmower > in for an > OO methodology. That's not really a fair comment. When Java is used in connection with thin clients like this, it is intended as meaning a Java-only based machine, i.e. the case in which the Java environment does indeed function as a replacement for the operating system. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Java Out, Linux In 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar @ 1999-06-04 0:00 ` dennison 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: dennison @ 1999-06-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <1999Jun4.062135.1@eisner>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam wrote: > > http://linuxtoday.com/stories/6479.html > > > > " Wyse technology has pulled Java from its > > top-of-the-line thin client workstations in > > favor of Linux. > > Well, if they abandon a language in favor of an operating system, > who could argue ? I think I will trade my lawnmower in for an > OO methodology. The JVM could be considered an OS. -- T.E.D. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Java Out, Linux In 1999-06-04 0:00 ` dennison @ 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Larry Kilgallen @ 1999-06-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <7j8ot3$eo5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, dennison@telepath.com writes: > In article <1999Jun4.062135.1@eisner>, > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam wrote: >> > http://linuxtoday.com/stories/6479.html >> > >> > " Wyse technology has pulled Java from its >> > top-of-the-line thin client workstations in >> > favor of Linux. >> >> Well, if they abandon a language in favor of an operating system, >> who could argue ? I think I will trade my lawnmower in for an >> OO methodology. > > The JVM could be considered an OS. but the headline did not say Java Virtual Machine, it said Java, which even the Chief Science Officer of Sun has said is more useful than for just running in the Java Virtual Machine. Larry Kilgallen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Java Out, Linux In 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen @ 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar 1999-06-04 0:00 ` chris 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Robert Dewar @ 1999-06-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) In article <1999Jun4.124721.1@eisner>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam wrote: > but the headline did not say Java Virtual Machine, it said > Java, which even the Chief Science Officer of Sun has said is > more useful than for just running in the Java Virtual Machine. But that again I think misses the point. It is not just the JVM that functions as a replacement for an OS, but the whole Java environment, which includes the language, the virtual machine, and the library classes. It is quite common to use Java in this encompassing form, and indeed when Sun talks about Java-only machines they are not talking about machines with only a language and no operating system. So the language of the article, while a bit informal, in fact corresponds to commonly understood usage in this area, and would for example immediately be understood by readers of computer world, even if the more pedantic folks at comp.lang.ada get a type error :-) :-) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Java Out, Linux In 1999-06-04 0:00 ` Robert Dewar @ 1999-06-04 0:00 ` chris 1999-06-06 0:00 ` David Botton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: chris @ 1999-06-04 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Yes, Linux is cool. GNAT + Linux are even more cool. I wish someone would take more leadership role for GNAT+Linux to put more effort and money into this combination. Linux will be a very hot thing in the commig years. Java on Linux is still weak compared to Java on windows. This is a window for Ada to jump in on the Linux platform as a vehicle to make Ada more popular with all those thousands of programmers who are writing software for Linux every day. Ada on windows will never make it (you can't make those VB programmers think in terms of abstration and interfaces). Ada on Unix and on Linux in particular have a much better chance just becuase that environment is not polluted by the MS culture. What we need is something like Sun is doing for Java. We need a fully integrated GNAT+libraries Linux package/distro that will knock the JDK+its API out. The only reason I see Java as popular is not becuase the language is so great, (although it is much better than C and C++ for sure) but becuase JDK comes with zillion API to do almost anything you want. From sending email, to playing sound to 2D to 3D to GUI, if it can be done, it seems java has an API for it. soon Sun will make an API to let java cook for you also. You can not help but be very impressed by the Java API's. Without doing something soon, Ada will be dead folks. wake up. we need to do something. I see some Ada people wasting efforts on re-inventing the wheel by duplicating efforts, trying to build new OS in Ada and make yet another linked list. What is needed are usefull practical Ada packages that people in the commerical world can use today, something like an Ada package for SNMP (reading snmp pkts, parsing it, BER encoding, support for snmpv1, v2c etc..) or an Ada package for XML (Java is big hear, Sun has an XML package part of JDK allready). (I am thinking of writing an Ada package for SNMP, since that sounds like a fun thing to do and can be very usefull, but I need to check to see may be someone did that allready ;) Of course, when jGNAT do come out and be public, and one can use Ada to call any of those Java classes, it will make Ada very popular to use also. Chris. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Java Out, Linux In 1999-06-04 0:00 ` chris @ 1999-06-06 0:00 ` David Botton 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: David Botton @ 1999-06-06 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) I nominate you to contact and join the Ada for Linux team - http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/linux-ada/ If you really feel this way take the sage Hillel's advice: "When there is no one, strive to be some one." (Ethics of the Fathers 2:5) Do. David Botton chris@nospam.com wrote: > > Yes, Linux is cool. > > GNAT + Linux are even more cool. > > I wish someone would take more leadership role for GNAT+Linux to put more > effort and money into this combination. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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