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From: Samuel Mize <smize@imagin.net>
Subject: Re: Ada OO Mechanism
Date: 1999/05/27
Date: 1999-05-27T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7iid7g$2afk@news2.newsguy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7ifem0$1b4p@drn.newsguy.com

Chris <Chris@newsguy.com> wrote:
> In article <7if7oj$bee@news1.newsguy.com>, Samuel says...
>>
>>I do know that this distinction is extremely useful in a mixed-method
>>environment, e.g., object-oriented and procedural elements working
>>together.
>>
> 
> I don't think it leads to clear design when one part of the
> program is done in OO ways, while another part is not.
> 
> one either uses all OO, or all procedural.
> 
> don't you agree?

Nope.

But then I've worked on very large systems, with multiple fairly
independent subsystems interacting inside the language.  For
instance, we had an object-oriented design which needed object
persistence -- that is, many objects stored their attributes
between executions of the system, re-reading their current state
at start-up.  The repository for these objects was really just a
simple data base in this design, and when we tried to switch it to
an object-oriented implementation it was much less clear, less
maintainable, and slower.

Another example would be a process control system that interacts with
things like inventory control and materials routing.  I could easily
imagine that you would want to implement safety-critical control
loops in a very controlled procedural fashion -- in this area, you
are inherently thinking about actions more than objects anyway.
Then you could interface this to an object-oriented representation
of the physical objects being manipulated.

In short, I've worked in mixed-method environments, and as long as
you clearly define where each method is going to be used, it's quite
useful and powerful.

At SOME point you stop doing OO work and switch to a procedural
model, at least when implementing a class's method bodies.  Unless,
of course, you're coding in something like Smalltalk that is
object-oriented all the way down to integers (I understand).  I
don't think you'll sell the argument that this is necessary, or
even clearer to most people than procedurally-coded methods.

Best,
Sam Mize

-- 
Samuel Mize -- smize@imagin.net (home email) -- Team Ada
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  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-05-27  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-05-20  0:00 Ada OO Mechanism Shawn M. Root
1999-05-20  0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-20  0:00   ` David Botton
1999-05-20  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-20  0:00       ` David Botton
1999-05-24  0:00   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-24  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-24  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-24  0:00         ` Mike
1999-05-25  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-24  0:00         ` David Starner
1999-05-24  0:00           ` bob
1999-05-24  0:00             ` David Starner
1999-05-25  0:00               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-05-25  0:00                 ` Mark A Biggar
1999-05-25  0:00                   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-25  0:00                     ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-25  0:00                       ` David Botton
1999-05-26  0:00                         ` Tom Moran
1999-05-27  0:00                       ` Aidan Skinner
1999-05-25  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00                       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-25  0:00                         ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-25  0:00                           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-26  0:00                             ` Ray Blaak
1999-05-26  0:00                               ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-26  0:00                                 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-27  0:00                                   ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-05  0:00                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-07  0:00                                       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-28  0:00                                   ` Laurent Guerby
1999-06-05  0:00                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-07  0:00                                     ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-08  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                           ` Samuel Mize
1999-06-08  0:00                                             ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-08  0:00                                         ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-06-08  0:00                                         ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-08  0:00                                           ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-05-26  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]                           ` <t7zp2sr6yf.fsf@calumny.jyacc.c <t7emjmmx8w.fsf@calumny.jyacc.com>
1999-06-08  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-08  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                 ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-08  0:00                                   ` Brian Rogoff
     [not found]                                   ` < <375E92CB.27850620@averstar.com>
1999-06-09  0:00                                     ` Brian Rogoff
1999-06-14  0:00                                       ` Robert A Duff
1999-06-09  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00                                   ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-09  0:00                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-09  0:00                                 ` Samuel Mize
     [not found]                           ` <t7zp2sr6yf.fsf@calumny.jyacc.c <t7r9nmz8ou.fsf@calumny.jyacc.com>
1999-06-08  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-08  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-14  0:00                                 ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                           ` <t7zp2sr6yf.fsf@calumny.jyacc.c <375d9a3d.e1cccc63@averstar.com>
1999-06-09  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-09  0:00                               ` Tucker Taft
1999-05-25  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00                           ` Chris
1999-05-25  0:00                             ` David Botton
1999-05-27  0:00                               ` Aidan Skinner
1999-05-27  0:00                                 ` Gautier
1999-05-27  0:00                             ` Samuel Mize [this message]
1999-05-25  0:00                         ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-25  0:00                           ` Jim
1999-05-26  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-26  0:00                             ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-27  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-27  0:00                           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-28  0:00                             ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-28  0:00                             ` Laurent Guerby
1999-05-28  0:00                               ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-28  0:00                                 ` Tom Moran
1999-05-27  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-27  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1999-05-28  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-05-28  0:00                       ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-29  0:00                       ` Ehud Lamm
1999-05-30  0:00                         ` chris
1999-05-30  0:00                           ` Harry George
1999-05-30  0:00                             ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-05-31  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-30  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-31  0:00                           ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-06-03  0:00                             ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-02  0:00                               ` mike
1999-06-03  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-06  0:00                                   ` David Botton
1999-06-07  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-01  0:00                           ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-03  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-03  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-05-25  0:00                 ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-25  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-25  0:00         ` David Starner
1999-05-26  0:00         ` Laurent Guerby
1999-05-26  0:00           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-28  0:00             ` Laurent Guerby
1999-06-01  0:00               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-03  0:00                 ` Fraser Wilson
1999-05-26  0:00         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-06-03  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-03  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-21  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-20  0:00   ` bob
1999-05-21  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-21  0:00   ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-21  0:00     ` Shawn M. Root
1999-05-21  0:00       ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-25  0:00         ` Shawn M. Root
1999-05-21  0:00     ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-21  0:00       ` Steve
1999-05-21  0:00       ` Dan Nagle
1999-05-24  0:00         ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-25  0:00   ` Don Overheu
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