When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Chris]

Ok, I'd like to start an open discussion on the above subject.

We all know that Ada is stil a nich language in the commerical world.

It has been that way for over 20 years.

Yet, we all know that Ada is a great language, many of use 
will say the best of all current languages.

So, will Ada ever gets it day, and become very popular? 
What is missing from Ada that does not make it as popular
as Java or C or C++ or Delphi or Perl or Python or VB etc..?

Why did all those other language get to be used so much more, 
while Ada remain little used commercially?

Is it lack of leadership on the part of the companies making
Ada products? What do you think Ada needs to become the next
hotest thing around as Java is now?

List the thing you think Ada needs, in terms of technical issues,
or non technical issues. 

There got to be a reason why a good language such as Ada is used
so little.

thanks for your time and ideas.

Chris

Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Robert Dewar]

In article <7ig65p$2h7s@drn.newsguy.com>,
  Chris  <Chris@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, I'd like to start an open discussion on the above subject.

Hmmm! If I wasn't sure Chris had good intentions, I would
suspect this as a troll. There have been endless threads on
this subject (for the last 20 years!) Chris I assume you have
gone through the archives ... what makes you think there is
anything more to be said here that has not already been said
many times.

I would really encourage anyone wanting to contribute to this
thread to

a) check the archives for all relevant threads (there are many)

b) think before posting whether you have something new to say

I have nothing new to say, so I will not add anything, unless
I see some new interesting point being made (which i find
difficult to believe :-)


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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Robert Dewar]

In article <dale-2605991800560001@r1021c-17.ppp.cs.rmit.edu.au>,
  dale@cs.rmit.edu.au (Dale Stanbrough) wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
> " Ok, I'd like to start an open discussion on the above
subject.
>
>   We all know that Ada is stil a nich language in the
commerical world.
>
>   It has been that way for over 20 years.
>
>   Yet, we all know that Ada is a great language, many of use
>   will say the best of all current languages.
> Does ACT think that Ada is a better language than C++ or Java
> (if it were fast enough) for implementing compilers

Yes

> and if so why?

<<consider the tens of thousands of lines of text and thousands
of posts talking about the advantages of Ada to have been
inserted at this point>>

Surely there is no point in having another (incestuous :-)
thread where we post messages about why we think Ada is a good
language!


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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Marin David Condic]

Chris wrote:
> 
> Ok, I'd like to start an open discussion on the above subject.

Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.

Are you sure there is anything new here to discuss? I'd be interested in
a fresh perspective, but I'm not convinced there is.

> 
> So, will Ada ever gets it day, and become very popular?

Only if we make it so. If we quit having angst over how popular Ada is
and why, and just get down to implementing, recommending, specifying and
in general promoting Ada, its popularity won't be an issue. Remember
that C was around for a long time before it caught on with any "mass
market" appeal. The more we do with Ada and the more useful tools we
make available, the more likely it is Ada will appeal to the masses.

Hey! Anybody out there want to write the next Great American Operating
System in Ada? I'm game! Linux, watch out! :-)

MDC
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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[dennison]

In article <374C0FAB.8A2409B8@pwfl.com>,
  diespammer@pwfl.com wrote:

> Hey! Anybody out there want to write the next Great American Operating
> System in Ada? I'm game! Linux, watch out! :-)

http://www.adapower.com/lab/adaos.html . Join up now. :-)

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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[dennison]

In article <7ig65p$2h7s@drn.newsguy.com>,
  Chris  <Chris@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, I'd like to start an open discussion on the above subject.
>
> We all know that Ada is stil a nich language in the commerical world.
>
> It has been that way for over 20 years.
(snip)


Whatever happened to Greg Ahanorian anyway? :-)

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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[dennison]

In article <7ih7d9$6t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
  dennison@telepath.com wrote:

> Whatever happened to Greg Ahanorian anyway? :-)


In answer to my own question: it seems he's started some kind of patent
legislation newsletter, and is busily annoying people over at
misc.int-property and finet.freenet.lists.new-patents. I guess with the
closing of the AJPO he needed a new windmill to tilt at. :-)

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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[dbotton]

>
> Hey! Anybody out there want to write the next Great American Operating
> System in Ada? I'm game! Linux, watch out! :-)
>
> MDC
> --
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See: http://www.adapower.com/lab/adaos.html

David Botton


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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[dennison]

In article <dale-2705990730140001@r1021c-21.ppp.cs.rmit.edu.au>,
  dale@cs.rmit.edu.au (Dale Stanbrough) wrote:
> diespammer@pwfl.com wrote:
>
> " Hey! Anybody out there want to write the next Great American
Operating
>   System in Ada? I'm game! Linux, watch out! :-)"
>
> Well, maybe I would have, but I'm Australian, so i suppose I don't
> qualify.

That's probably close enough. :-)

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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Dale Stanbrough]

Chris wrote:

" Ok, I'd like to start an open discussion on the above subject.
  
  We all know that Ada is stil a nich language in the commerical world.
  
  It has been that way for over 20 years.
  
  Yet, we all know that Ada is a great language, many of use 
  will say the best of all current languages.
  
  So, will Ada ever gets it day, and become very popular? "


High profile programs that are very successful. Gnat is a good example,
but this example is a bit incestuous. 

Does ACT think that Ada is a better language than C++ or Java (if
it were fast enough) for implementing compilers, and if so why?

Dale

Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Thierry Lelegard]

> Hey! Anybody out there want to write the next Great American Operating
> System in Ada? I'm game! Linux, watch out! :-)

Hum, writing the next great _American_ OS in a language
which was designed by a _French_ guy, named after an _English_
woman... Do you think that you can beat the _Finnish_ OS named
Linux?

After all, the last _American_ OS was Windows, eh, eh, eh...

Sometimes, it is good to be European!

*** no bad intention here, just joking; please don't flame ***

-Thierry
________________________________________________________
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E-mail: lelegard@club-internet.fr

Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Dale Stanbrough]

diespammer@pwfl.com wrote:

" Hey! Anybody out there want to write the next Great American Operating
  System in Ada? I'm game! Linux, watch out! :-)"


Well, maybe I would have, but I'm Australian, so i suppose I don't
qualify.


Dale

Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Aidan Skinner]

On Wed, 26 May 1999 12:40:47 GMT, Robert Dewar
<robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com> wrote: 

>Surely there is no point in having another (incestuous :-)
>thread where we post messages about why we think Ada is a good
>language!

I dunno, these threads occasionally give me a nice warm fuzzy
feeling. ;)

But i suppouse that's what dejanews is for.

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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Marin David Condic]

Thierry Lelegard wrote:
> Hum, writing the next great _American_ OS in a language
> which was designed by a _French_ guy, named after an _English_
> woman... Do you think that you can beat the _Finnish_ OS named
> Linux?
> 
Well, in trying to make a play on "The Great American Novel" which
everyone wants to write upon retiring from the rat race, I guess I was
being a little insensitive to the international quality of Ada. Pardon
my ethnocentricism ;-)

So is there some other figure of speech we could abuse in this context?

MDC
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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[dennison]

In article <374ED920.4FD22EC0@pwfl.com>,
  diespammer@pwfl.com wrote:
> Well, in trying to make a play on "The Great American Novel" which
> everyone wants to write upon retiring from the rat race, I guess I was
> being a little insensitive to the international quality of Ada. Pardon
> my ethnocentricism ;-)

The phrase "rat race" is demeaning to laboratory rodents and marketing
executives. The marketing executives of course we don't care about, but
tick off the rodents and you're liable to wake up one morning to hear
that Ada has been found to cause cancer...


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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Aidan Skinner]

On Fri, 28 May 1999 22:28:40 GMT, dennison@telepath.com
<dennison@telepath.com> wrote: 

>tick off the rodents and you're liable to wake up one morning to hear
>that Ada has been found to cause cancer...

Having known several rats, and having had one living with us for
nearly 3 years before she died, I would suspect that evidence for Ada
causing cancer would be the least of one's worries in that
situation... 

- Aidan (who has had to replace phone cable on more than one occasion
after neglecting to ask the rat if she wanted anything from the
takeaway... ;>)
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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Marin David Condic]

dennison@telepath.com wrote:
> 
> The phrase "rat race" is demeaning to laboratory rodents and marketing
> executives. The marketing executives of course we don't care about, but
> tick off the rodents and you're liable to wake up one morning to hear
> that Ada has been found to cause cancer...
> 
You do, of course, mean to say "Rodent-Americans." Especially those in
the Unpaid Experimental Subject profession. And if they determine that
Ada is carcenogenic, I think there should be a series of lawsuits by
municipalities against the Ada manufacturers for causing them to spend
money on public health care.

And next, we go after McDonald's for using a clown to sell known health
hazzards to kids! (the bastards!)

Possibly a few good multi-billion dollar lawsuits over Ada might do a
lot to publicize the language. But who would sue over what?

MDC
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Re: When will Ada big moment arrive? what is missing?

[Steve Quinlan]

Marin David Condic wrote:

> And next, we go after McDonald's for using a clown to sell known health
> hazzards to kids! (the bastards!)

Not Ada related, but I couldn't resist. Sometime in the late 70's there was a
series of billboards with the theme "Everybody Needs Milk". One showed an
attractive, skimpily clad young woman with a glass of milk. I was living in
the Twin Cities at the time. Someone climbed one of those billboards in the
downtown area and painted across it : "STOP USING WOMEN". Some months later,
there was another billboard (I can't remember if it was another "Milk" add)
that featured a cartoon drawing of a pirate to sell the product. Someone
else, with a keen sense of what would in the future be called "political
correctness" climbed that board and inked the message: "STOP USING PIRATES".