From: Dave <Dave@newsguy.com>
Subject: Re: Java momentum slowing ?
Date: 1999/05/12
Date: 1999-05-12T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7hdi8f$1plb@drn.newsguy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 373A1E6D.8CDB54C9@Botton.com
In article <373A1E6D.8CDB54C9@Botton.com>, David says...
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>I don't understand why people have a hard time dealing with this. It
>doesn't make Java "BAD", it just means that Java is not the language /
>OS killer that Sun (and not so long ago M$) would force down your throat
>to believe.
>
You do not have to believe it, you can see it.
Java now is the most used language in any new applications or technology.
By the end of the year, it is estimated that there will be more than 1,000,000
java programmers, more than C++ and C combined. And Java is only less than
5 years old. Imagine what things will be like in 5 or 10 years from now.
Everywhere you look, Java is now used. People are converting exisitng
application from C++ to Java, and starting new ones in Java.
I work as a contractor, and I can't even find a new C/C++ project, (not
that I will accept one, given a choice to use Java), all the new ones
are in Java: Java/Databases, Java/Corba, Java/XML, java/Networking,
java everywhere.
I do not know where you live, but if you live anywhere where there are
high tech companies, I do not see how you can not see this. This is not
only in the US, but worldwide. We had a large project done for a
company in India, and they asked for it to be in Java only. face it,
C/C++ are dead for application development these days. Only a crazy
person will develop something new in C++ nowadays. This is bad for M$,
but good for the rest of the world, and good for us programmers also.
Free us from M$ and its crapy technology it wanted to shove down our throats.
Notice that freedom from M$ can only be good for Ada also. If M$ remained
the only player in town, all what you will ever work with is VB and VC++
and COM.
Breaking this mold, will give a chance for other technologies and languages
to come in. Look at now what people are starting to look at along with Java:
Perl, Python, XML, CROBA, etc.. these are all open technologies, and none
is under M$ control. Java has opened the door, now M$ is scrambling to
try to figure what to do about it.
Programmers who use Java love it, and Sun is not forcing any one to use
Java. IBM, Oracle, HP, Cisco, you name it, they are all doing major
development with Java. But with M$ case, it was the only who had control and
owned its techology secrets. Java is an open technology (but I agree it
could be made more open by Sun giving away all the source code), and Sun
is giving away alot of it free to the world to use and enjoy. and many
people are also building a clean room implementation of java, since
the specs are open.
I can't see how you can compare what good Sun has done for the software
world, to M$ attempt to control it. But If I have a choice between who will
control the software world, I'd much rather it be Sun than M$. At Least
Sun products do not crash every 5 minutes.
Dave
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Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-04-29 0:00 Java momentum slowing ? Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-04-29 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-04-29 0:00 ` x
[not found] ` <7gesv8$1bol@drn.newsguy.com>
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-05-01 0:00 ` Mike
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
1999-05-03 0:00 ` dvdeug
1999-05-04 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
1999-05-04 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-05-05 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
1999-05-05 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-05-05 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-05-02 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-03 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-02 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-02 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Mitch
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Tom
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-05-04 0:00 ` Andrzej Lewandowski
1999-04-30 0:00 ` Tony Huynh
1999-04-30 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
[not found] ` <7gdlca$2j5l@drn.newsguy.com>
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Bob
1999-05-03 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-06 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-06 0:00 ` Matthew Whiting
1999-05-06 0:00 ` Renaming Ada (Re: Java momentum slowing ?) David Botton
1999-05-06 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-07 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Ada2001
1999-05-07 0:00 ` dennison
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-05-07 0:00 ` dennison
1999-05-07 0:00 ` carlislemc
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Matthew Whiting
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Java momentum slowing ? Bob Munck
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Martin C. Carlisle
1999-05-08 0:00 ` steve
1999-05-09 0:00 ` bill
1999-05-09 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-05-14 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-09 0:00 ` Pascal F. Martin
1999-05-09 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-09 0:00 ` Pascal F. Martin
1999-05-09 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-09 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Rob
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Pascal F. Martin
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-09 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-09 0:00 ` bill
1999-05-09 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-09 0:00 ` Steve
1999-05-10 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-11 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-11 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Lance Kibblewhite
1999-05-12 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Lance Kibblewhite
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-12 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Dave [this message]
1999-05-13 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-13 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-05-13 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1999-05-14 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-14 0:00 ` [OT] " Clayton Weaver
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Mitch
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-11 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-22 0:00 ` olefevre
1999-05-22 0:00 ` Bob
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