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From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com>
Subject: Re: [O/T 4 cla] Re: GPL and "free" software
Date: 1999/05/12
Date: 1999-05-12T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7halnl$n8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7ha31n$htn$1@Mercury.mcs.net

In article <7ha31n$htn$1@Mercury.mcs.net>,
  les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
> Of course not - this is usenet.  Anything goes here.

I am not quite sure what that means. It is always important
to understand what kind of knolwedge and experience goes into
usenet posts. The "of course not" here is not appropriate. Yes
there are plenty of people posting who do not have the knowledge
to post but post anyway, but there are also many experts who
do speak as experts (we have had at least one person whom I
assumed was an attorney or at least very knowledgable in the
law posting here, and up to the above, I had assumed that you
had similar expertise).

> But I do have a pretty good understanding of what a patch
> actually does.

I think you may assume that we all know what a patch is (says
he trying to keep from making some sarcastic comment :-)
Seriously, of COURSE we all know what a patch is, but that
has little to do with the discussion at hand, which is not
about patches but about software copyright.

The issue is knowing how software copyright works in terms
of case law. The case law here is not inaccessible, in fact
it makes quite interesting technical reading.

You can't figure out what the law is by thinking about what
it *should* be according to your common sense view, you have
to look at what the statutes actually say, and in this
particular case, understand the abstraction process, which is
the key here, and which I think you are not understanding as
best I can read your posts.

Once again you do NOT simply copyright text when it comes
to software, you copyright protectable elements of the design
at all levels of abstraction.

Could you copyright an empty file. I would say that you can
certainly see circumstances in which an empty file could be
copyrighted.

Suppose a file represented some particular option in a standard
algorithm.

You discovered a new more efficient form in which this option
was not needed.

You program the result, and the file for the option is now null
since the option is not needed.

I would guess that this would be a protectable element.
But you would have to look at the exact circumstances to
actually make a judgment.

Software copyright is not a simple issue, as many recent
court cases have shown.




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  reply	other threads:[~1999-05-12  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-04-20  0:00 air traffic control software Terry J. Westley
1999-04-21  0:00 ` Kevin Rigotti
1999-04-21  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-21  0:00     ` GPL and "free" software (was: air traffic control software) Terry J. Westley
1999-04-21  0:00       ` bill
1999-04-23  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-23  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-23  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-04-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-23  0:00           ` Tom Moran
1999-04-24  0:00             ` Florian Weimer
1999-04-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                 ` GPL and "free" software Nick Roberts
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` spblunt
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Tim Smith
1999-04-26  0:00                       ` Kenneth P. Turvey
1999-04-27  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-02  0:00                             ` Mitch Blevins
1999-05-02  0:00                               ` Sam Holden
1999-05-03  0:00                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                       ` Phil Hunt
1999-04-27  0:00                         ` David Kastrup
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-05-05  0:00                             ` Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Tim Smith
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Florian Weimer
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                       ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` David Kastrup
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-27  0:00                               ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-27  0:00                                 ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                   ` <7g5qgg$n7t@www.inetnow.net>
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-28  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-28  0:00                                         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-30  0:00                                                 ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-05-05  0:00                                               ` Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
1999-05-05  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-05  0:00                                                   ` Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
1999-05-06  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                       ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-06  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                           ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                               ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-06  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                                   ` Roger Espel Llima
1999-05-07  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-07  0:00                                                                       ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-07  0:00                                                                       ` dennison
1999-05-06  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` David Starner
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                             ` <7gdv6m$1fid$1@Mercury.mcs.net>
1999-05-03  0:00                                               ` [O/T 4 cla] " Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                                 ` <7gkmt5$e8t@www.inetnow.net>
1999-05-03  0:00                                                   ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                                     ` <7gnb7u$hlu@www.inetnow.net>
1999-05-04  0:00                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-05  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-05  0:00                                                           ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-08  0:00                                                               ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-08  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-10  0:00                                                                   ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-10  0:00                                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-10  0:00                                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                           ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-12  0:00                                                                             ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1999-05-04  0:00                                                   ` James Youngman
1999-05-06  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-04  0:00                                                 ` James Youngman
1999-05-06  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                             ` Robert A Duff
1999-05-06  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-07  0:00                                                 ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-08  0:00                                                   ` dewarr
1999-05-18  0:00                                                     ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                       ` <7g7ro3$q91@www.inetnow.net>
1999-04-28  0:00                                         ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                             ` <7g8ip8$skl@www.inetnow.net>
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-29  0:00                                                 ` [Offtopic for cl.ada] " Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-30  0:00                                                 ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-30  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Aidan Skinner
1999-05-08  0:00                                           ` dewarr
1999-04-28  0:00                                         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-28  0:00                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-28  0:00                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-04-29  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-29  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` Robert A Duff
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-29  0:00                                     ` Fraser Wilson
1999-04-29  0:00                                       ` Ed Avis
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` David Starner
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Ed Avis
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` David Starner
1999-04-30  0:00                                               ` Ed Avis
1999-04-30  0:00                                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-30  0:00                                                   ` Ed Avis
     [not found]                                                     ` <R5qW2.242$jw4.22063@burlma1-snr2>
     [not found]                                                       ` <372ADEED.D907754@doc.ic.ac.uk>
1999-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-04  0:00                                                           ` Ed Avis
1999-05-04  0:00                                                             ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-04  0:00                                                               ` Ed Avis
1999-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Peter Seebach
1999-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-08  0:00                                                                   ` dewarr
1999-05-04  0:00                                                         ` Alan Braggins
1999-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Phil Hunt
1999-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Ed Avis
1999-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Phil Hunt
1999-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Ed Avis
1999-05-03  0:00                                                         ` dennison
1999-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Andy Isaacson
1999-05-03  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-30  0:00                                           ` Ed Avis
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-29  0:00                                     ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-30  0:00                                     ` spblunt
1999-04-30  0:00                                       ` David Kastrup
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-26  0:00                             ` Tim Smith
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-27  0:00                               ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` spblunt
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Phil Hunt
1999-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                       ` Ronald Cole
1999-04-21  0:00       ` GPL and "free" software (was: air traffic control software) dennison
     [not found] ` <DXqW2.244$jw4.22256@burlma1-snr2>
     [not found]   ` <7gdln1$vna$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>
     [not found]     ` <372ADFBD.4F4C241B@doc.ic.ac.uk>
     [not found]       ` <7gff2f$8o2@www.inetnow.net>
1999-05-01  0:00         ` GPL and "free" software Ed Avis
1999-05-03  0:00         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-01  0:00       ` Lynn Winebarger
     [not found]       ` <m2zp3pat3q.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
1999-05-03  0:00         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-04  0:00           ` Ed Avis
1999-05-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-03  0:00     ` Barry Margolin
     [not found] ` <7gdd9e$36l$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>
     [not found]   ` <372ADF48.B3C88507@doc.ic.ac.uk>
1999-05-04  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1999-05-07  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
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