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From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: [O/T 4 cla] Re: GPL and "free" software
Date: 1999/05/11
Date: 1999-05-11T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ha31n$htn$1@Mercury.mcs.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7h97qi$t1j$1@nnrp1.deja.com

In article <7h97qi$t1j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Robert Dewar  <robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>In article <7h8aqf$4nm$1@Mercury.mcs.net>,
>  les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
>> Is the orginal modification legal?  Would it be legal for the
>> author of the modification to come over and retype it for you?
>> How about dictating the edit commands to you over the phone as
>> you modify your own copy?  This is exactly the function the
>> patch file performs.  I don't see how one way of performing
>> these changes can be treated any differently than the others -
>> they are really all the same.
>
>I assume you are speaking as an attorney, or at least an expert
>in the copyright field, so it would be useful if you would cite
>some basis for your legal opinions.

Of course not - this is usenet.  Anything goes here.  But I
do have a pretty good understanding of what a patch actually
does.

>I continue to think that the abstraction process would
>immediately indicate that the patch file was a derived work
>in the normal sense of the meaning of this term.

How?  After applying the patch you would have a derived
work.  The patch itself is just replaying the keystrokes used
to type in the modifications.

>Once again,
>I do not see how the filter-compare-abstraction cycle could
>be applied to the patch file without reference to the original.
>Remember that you have to get all the way to the top in this
>cycle -- to something like "write a compiler" ...

Sure, but a patch that represents the original best is
an empty file.  How can an empty file be illegal to copy?
The non-empty portion of a patch file does not represent
the original content.

>Can you coordinate your viewpoint with the specific court cases
>involved here (I assume you are familiar with them ...)

No, I don't think there has been anything similar.  The GPL is
a rather strange beast and when you combine that with the fact
that people are allowed to get their own copies without first
agreeing to a license you have a unique situation. 

  Les Mikesell
   les@mcs.com




  reply	other threads:[~1999-05-11  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-04-20  0:00 air traffic control software Terry J. Westley
1999-04-21  0:00 ` Kevin Rigotti
1999-04-21  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-21  0:00     ` GPL and "free" software (was: air traffic control software) Terry J. Westley
1999-04-21  0:00       ` dennison
1999-04-21  0:00       ` bill
1999-04-23  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-23  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-23  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-04-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-23  0:00           ` Tom Moran
1999-04-24  0:00             ` Florian Weimer
1999-04-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                 ` GPL and "free" software Nick Roberts
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Tim Smith
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Florian Weimer
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                       ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` spblunt
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-26  0:00                             ` Tim Smith
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-27  0:00                               ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` David Kastrup
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-27  0:00                               ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-27  0:00                                 ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                   ` <7g5qgg$n7t@www.inetnow.net>
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-28  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-28  0:00                                         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-30  0:00                                                 ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-05-05  0:00                                               ` Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
1999-05-05  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-05  0:00                                                   ` Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
1999-05-06  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                       ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-06  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                           ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                               ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-06  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                                   ` Roger Espel Llima
1999-05-07  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-07  0:00                                                                       ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-07  0:00                                                                       ` dennison
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` David Starner
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                             ` <7gdv6m$1fid$1@Mercury.mcs.net>
1999-05-03  0:00                                               ` [O/T 4 cla] " Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                                 ` <7gkmt5$e8t@www.inetnow.net>
1999-05-03  0:00                                                   ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                                     ` <7gnb7u$hlu@www.inetnow.net>
1999-05-04  0:00                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-05  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-05  0:00                                                           ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-08  0:00                                                               ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-08  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-10  0:00                                                                   ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-10  0:00                                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                           ` Leslie Mikesell [this message]
1999-05-12  0:00                                                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-10  0:00                                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-04  0:00                                                   ` James Youngman
1999-05-06  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-04  0:00                                                 ` James Youngman
1999-05-06  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                             ` Robert A Duff
1999-05-06  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-07  0:00                                                 ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-08  0:00                                                   ` dewarr
1999-05-18  0:00                                                     ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                       ` <7g7ro3$q91@www.inetnow.net>
1999-04-28  0:00                                         ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Aidan Skinner
     [not found]                                             ` <7g8ip8$skl@www.inetnow.net>
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-29  0:00                                                 ` [Offtopic for cl.ada] " Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-30  0:00                                                 ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-30  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-08  0:00                                           ` dewarr
1999-04-28  0:00                                         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-28  0:00                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-28  0:00                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-29  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` Robert A Duff
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-04-29  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                     ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-29  0:00                                     ` Fraser Wilson
1999-04-29  0:00                                       ` Ed Avis
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-30  0:00                                           ` Ed Avis
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` David Starner
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Ed Avis
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` David Starner
1999-04-30  0:00                                               ` Ed Avis
1999-04-30  0:00                                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-30  0:00                                                   ` Ed Avis
     [not found]                                                     ` <R5qW2.242$jw4.22063@burlma1-snr2>
     [not found]                                                       ` <372ADEED.D907754@doc.ic.ac.uk>
1999-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-04  0:00                                                           ` Ed Avis
1999-05-04  0:00                                                             ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-04  0:00                                                               ` Ed Avis
1999-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-08  0:00                                                                   ` dewarr
1999-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Peter Seebach
1999-05-04  0:00                                                         ` Alan Braggins
1999-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Phil Hunt
1999-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Ed Avis
1999-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Phil Hunt
1999-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Ed Avis
1999-05-03  0:00                                                         ` dennison
1999-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Andy Isaacson
1999-05-03  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-30  0:00                                     ` spblunt
1999-04-30  0:00                                       ` David Kastrup
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` spblunt
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Tim Smith
1999-04-26  0:00                       ` Kenneth P. Turvey
1999-04-27  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-02  0:00                             ` Mitch Blevins
1999-05-02  0:00                               ` Sam Holden
1999-05-03  0:00                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                       ` Phil Hunt
1999-04-27  0:00                         ` David Kastrup
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-05-05  0:00                             ` Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Phil Hunt
1999-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                       ` Ronald Cole
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found] ` <DXqW2.244$jw4.22256@burlma1-snr2>
     [not found]   ` <7gdln1$vna$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>
     [not found]     ` <372ADFBD.4F4C241B@doc.ic.ac.uk>
1999-05-01  0:00       ` Lynn Winebarger
     [not found]       ` <7gff2f$8o2@www.inetnow.net>
1999-05-01  0:00         ` Ed Avis
1999-05-03  0:00         ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]       ` <m2zp3pat3q.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
1999-05-03  0:00         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-04  0:00           ` Ed Avis
1999-05-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-03  0:00     ` Barry Margolin
     [not found] ` <7gdd9e$36l$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>
     [not found]   ` <372ADF48.B3C88507@doc.ic.ac.uk>
1999-05-04  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1999-05-07  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
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