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From: Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com>
Subject: Re: A question for my personal knowledge.
Date: 1999/05/11
Date: 1999-05-11T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7h9o21$9v4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 37382B0C.A95B6745@bigfoot.com

In article <37382B0C.A95B6745@bigfoot.com>,
  Roy Grimm <ragrimm@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> If they don't know those concepts, learning a new language in
> and of itself certainly isn't going to help them.  They
> *should* know all that as a result of the training they
> received before they took the job in the first place.

Well I won't disagree with your *should* here (indeed I think
they should have learned Ada as part of this training, since it
is a much better introduction to these critical concepts).

But you are in my experience quite wrong to think that learning
a new language does not help. On the contrary, switching to a
new language often illuminates principles that are hard to
understand in a language that does not support or is actively
hostile to these principles.

For example, Fortran programmers were quite puzzled by EWD's
letter to the ACM on gotos, but this was totally familiar to
all Algol programmers.

Once you understand the details of separation of spec and
implementation, you can indeed apply this even in languages
which are really not very hospitable to the notion, but the
experience I have seen is that typical C programmers do NOT
have a good understanding of this separation, and learning
Ada is very helpful in gaining this understanding.

Roy, what is your experience with Fortran or C programmers
switching to Ada, does it match this? (indeed, do you have
direct experience with projects making such a switch?)


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  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-05-11  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-05-10  0:00 A question for my personal knowledge Siamak Kaveh
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Sam
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-10  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1999-05-12  0:00     ` Charlie McCutcheon
1999-05-12  0:00       ` Werner Pachler
1999-05-17  0:00         ` Charlie McCutcheon
1999-05-17  0:00           ` bglbv
1999-05-17  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-18  0:00               ` bglbv
1999-05-19  0:00                 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Dan Nagle
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-10  0:00   ` Paul Whittington
1999-05-10  0:00     ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-11  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-11  0:00     ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-11  0:00       ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-11  0:00         ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-11  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1999-05-11  0:00             ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-12  0:00         ` Roger Racine
1999-05-12  0:00           ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-17  0:00             ` Charlie McCutcheon
1999-05-17  0:00               ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-17  0:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-17  0:00                 ` Chris
1999-05-17  0:00                   ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-17  0:00             ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-18  0:00               ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-18  0:00                 ` bglbv
1999-05-18  0:00                   ` William B. Clodius
1999-05-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1999-05-11  0:00         ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-12  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1999-05-11  0:00         ` dennison
1999-05-13  0:00           ` Mike Yoder
1999-05-13  0:00             ` Mike
1999-05-13  0:00               ` Martin C. Carlisle
1999-05-14  0:00               ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-13  0:00                 ` Mike
1999-05-13  0:00                   ` David Starner
1999-05-18  0:00                     ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-05-13  0:00                   ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-14  0:00                   ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-14  0:00                     ` Steve
1999-05-15  0:00                       ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-15  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-05-14  0:00                   ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-15  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-05-18  0:00               ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-18  0:00                 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-18  0:00                   ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-18  0:00                     ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-19  0:00                       ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-11  0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-05-11  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
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