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From: hawk@eyry.econ.iastate.edu (Richard E. Hawkins Esq.)
Subject: Re: GPL and "free" software
Date: 1999/05/05
Date: 1999-05-05T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7gqjpa$9cp$1@eyry.econ> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7gpvsh$tdm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com

In article <7gpvsh$tdm$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Robert Dewar  <robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>In article <7gpqms$7qj$1@eyry.econ>,
>  hawk@eyry.econ.iastate.edu (Richard E. Hawkins Esq.) wrote:

>> However, under this chip development scenario, the licensee of the GPL
>> is the conglomerate/joint enterprise/whatever of A, B, and I,
>> complete with their NDA's, which can internally distribute it's
>> modified version.  There is no subversion here; it's simply a question
>> of "who is the licensee."

>That does not work, unless there is a legal entity involved, not at all
>clear that this could be set up. A license needs a legal entity, either
>an individual, or a corporate entity. A collection of companies is not
>an entity in this regard. It would be possible to establish an entity
>for this purpose, but it would not be able to distribute to the other
>entities involved.

To start with, such an operation would be a partnership, unless a
contract or other action gave it another status (venture, corporation,
etc.).  It certainly is a legal entity.  

Additionally, it is not the collection of companies, but the development
effort; at first impression (which is as far as I'm going :), it doesn't
appear that this entity would be able to distribute to the to the
companies that formed it (though thoughtful planning might make it so,
but i don't have time to work with it [and noon'es paid my 
retainer :) ]).

>It is quite intentional that the GPL makes this kind of cooperation without
>open disclosure difficult!

It only makes it difficult without a minimally competent lawyer. 
However, it would prevent external distribution of binaries.


>Of course ultimately a court has to decide what is and what is not valid,
>but certainly in the case of GCC, the copyright holder, Richard Stallman,
>would probably object to any such dubious setup, as best I understand his
>position.

I won't grant you that it's dubious; these are rather simple legal
principles at work. 

However, all happens is that there is an internal version of GCC,
which could be useful during development, but could never be released
in binary only form to the customers who buy the chip.

Also, RMS's opinion on what is valid weighs in at about five billion
and one--after every one else on the planet. In interpreting
a document, the opinion of the author is the *very* last thing 
to consider.  For that matter, general contract principles call 
for interpreting any ambiguity *against* the author.

rick, esq.

-- 
These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer.




  reply	other threads:[~1999-05-05  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-04-20  0:00 air traffic control software Terry J. Westley
1999-04-21  0:00 ` Kevin Rigotti
1999-04-21  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-21  0:00     ` GPL and "free" software (was: air traffic control software) Terry J. Westley
1999-04-21  0:00       ` bill
1999-04-23  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-23  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-23  0:00           ` Tom Moran
1999-04-24  0:00             ` Florian Weimer
1999-04-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                 ` GPL and "free" software Nick Roberts
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Phil Hunt
1999-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                       ` Ronald Cole
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` spblunt
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Tim Smith
1999-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                       ` Kenneth P. Turvey
1999-04-27  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-02  0:00                             ` Mitch Blevins
1999-05-02  0:00                               ` Sam Holden
1999-05-03  0:00                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-27  0:00                       ` Phil Hunt
1999-04-27  0:00                         ` David Kastrup
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-05-05  0:00                             ` Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Florian Weimer
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Tim Smith
1999-04-26  0:00                   ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-26  0:00                       ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` spblunt
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-26  0:00                             ` Tim Smith
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-27  0:00                               ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-27  0:00                           ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-27  0:00                               ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-27  0:00                                 ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                   ` <7g5qgg$n7t@www.inetnow.net>
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-28  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-28  0:00                                         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-30  0:00                                                 ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-05-05  0:00                                               ` Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
1999-05-05  0:00                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-05  0:00                                                   ` Richard E. Hawkins Esq. [this message]
1999-05-06  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                       ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-06  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                           ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                               ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-06  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                                                   ` Roger Espel Llima
1999-05-07  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-07  0:00                                                                       ` dennison
1999-05-07  0:00                                                                       ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` David Starner
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                             ` <7gdv6m$1fid$1@Mercury.mcs.net>
1999-05-03  0:00                                               ` [O/T 4 cla] " Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                                 ` <7gkmt5$e8t@www.inetnow.net>
1999-05-03  0:00                                                   ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                                     ` <7gnb7u$hlu@www.inetnow.net>
1999-05-04  0:00                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-05  0:00                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-05  0:00                                                           ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-08  0:00                                                               ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-08  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-10  0:00                                                                   ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-10  0:00                                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-10  0:00                                                                       ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-11  0:00                                                                           ` Leslie Mikesell
1999-05-12  0:00                                                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-04  0:00                                                   ` James Youngman
1999-05-06  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-04  0:00                                                 ` James Youngman
1999-05-06  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-06  0:00                                             ` Robert A Duff
1999-05-06  0:00                                               ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-07  0:00                                                 ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-08  0:00                                                   ` dewarr
1999-05-18  0:00                                                     ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]                                       ` <7g7ro3$q91@www.inetnow.net>
1999-04-28  0:00                                         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-28  0:00                                         ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                             ` <7g8ip8$skl@www.inetnow.net>
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-29  0:00                                                 ` [Offtopic for cl.ada] " Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-30  0:00                                                 ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-30  0:00                                                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-29  0:00                                               ` Aidan Skinner
1999-05-08  0:00                                           ` dewarr
1999-04-28  0:00                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-28  0:00                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-29  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` Robert A Duff
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-04-29  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-28  0:00                                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-04-29  0:00                                     ` Paul Hughett
1999-04-29  0:00                                     ` Fraser Wilson
1999-04-29  0:00                                       ` Ed Avis
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` David Starner
1999-04-29  0:00                                           ` Ed Avis
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` David Starner
1999-04-30  0:00                                               ` Ed Avis
1999-04-30  0:00                                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-30  0:00                                                   ` Ed Avis
     [not found]                                                     ` <R5qW2.242$jw4.22063@burlma1-snr2>
     [not found]                                                       ` <372ADEED.D907754@doc.ic.ac.uk>
1999-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-04  0:00                                                           ` Ed Avis
1999-05-04  0:00                                                             ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-04  0:00                                                               ` Ed Avis
1999-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Peter Seebach
1999-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Barry Margolin
1999-05-08  0:00                                                                   ` dewarr
1999-05-04  0:00                                                         ` Alan Braggins
1999-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Phil Hunt
1999-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Andy Isaacson
1999-05-03  0:00                                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Ed Avis
1999-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Phil Hunt
1999-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Ed Avis
1999-05-03  0:00                                                         ` dennison
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-29  0:00                                             ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-30  0:00                                           ` Ed Avis
1999-04-29  0:00                                         ` Barry Margolin
1999-04-30  0:00                                     ` spblunt
1999-04-30  0:00                                       ` David Kastrup
1999-04-27  0:00                             ` David Kastrup
1999-04-23  0:00           ` GPL and "free" software (was: air traffic control software) Larry Kilgallen
1999-04-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-04-21  0:00       ` dennison
     [not found] ` <DXqW2.244$jw4.22256@burlma1-snr2>
     [not found]   ` <7gdln1$vna$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>
     [not found]     ` <372ADFBD.4F4C241B@doc.ic.ac.uk>
1999-05-01  0:00       ` GPL and "free" software Lynn Winebarger
     [not found]       ` <7gff2f$8o2@www.inetnow.net>
1999-05-01  0:00         ` Ed Avis
1999-05-03  0:00         ` Joshua E. Rodd
     [not found]       ` <m2zp3pat3q.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
1999-05-03  0:00         ` Joshua E. Rodd
1999-05-04  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-04  0:00           ` Ed Avis
1999-05-03  0:00     ` Barry Margolin
     [not found] ` <7gdd9e$36l$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>
     [not found]   ` <372ADF48.B3C88507@doc.ic.ac.uk>
1999-05-04  0:00     ` Nick Roberts
1999-05-07  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
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