From: mjsilva@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: The future of Ada
Date: 1999/03/27
Date: 1999-03-27T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7diro7$1jo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7di6r6$bhd@drn.newsguy.com
In article <7di6r6$bhd@drn.newsguy.com>,
west@nospam wrote:
> In article <36fcbe32.0@news1.jps.net>, "Mike says...
>
> >
> >My experience in learning Ada is the same as Michael's -- Ada will not
> >tolerate off-the-cuff programming, where you're only thinking a few lines or
> >a few functions ahead. I come from 'C', a language that is always beguiling
> >you with "well, you probably shouldn't do that, but -I'll- never tell".
>
> ...snip..
>
> Very few people will argue than C or C++ are better than Ada.
>
> But nowadays, the Big one is Java. It is not C or C++.
>
> Ada programmers like to put C/C++ down, becuase it is easy to do so
I truly don't see how you could take what I wrote as a putdown of C/C++. I
thought I was clear in describing how I, in learning Ada from a C background,
found the extra discipline Ada imposes to be both frustrating and beneficial.
I could have come from a number of other languages and had the same
experience. I am specifically not an Ada programmer, I am a C programmer
learning Ada, who recognizes that the C language allows (does not force, but
allows) some weak programming practices.
You, however, have chosen to twist what I wrote to serve as an excuse for Yet
Another Java Flag-waving Post. This is especially ironic because Java also
imposes extra discipline on somebody coming from a C background, and thus my
words could also have been written about Java. What is even more ironic, to
the point of being ludicrous, is that a Java programmer would criticize
anybody for "putting C/C++ down" (which I -didn't- do), since the Java
community seems to regularly work itself into hysterics over the failures of
C/C++. "Java Great, Everything Else Bad, C/C++ Really Really Horrible" seems
to be the message of the noisiest Java backers.
Perhaps instead of telling us how Java will take over the world (a look at
dice.com shows 3 times as many C/C++ offerings as Java...), why don't -you-
tell us why you choose Java over Ada. Have you even looked seriously at Ada?
I can tell you that for my applications (embedded real-time systems), Ada is a
much better fit than Java.
Mike
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1999-03-10 0:00 The future of Ada Gordon Dodrill
1999-03-10 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-03-10 0:00 ` dewar
1999-03-10 0:00 ` dennison
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-03-10 0:00 ` dewar
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-10 0:00 ` dennison
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Steve O'Neill
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Michael Garrett
1999-03-12 0:00 ` vershokv
1999-03-26 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-03-26 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-27 0:00 ` west
1999-03-27 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-27 0:00 ` mjsilva [this message]
1999-03-27 0:00 ` west
1999-03-27 0:00 ` Chad R. Meiners
1999-03-27 0:00 ` mjsilva
1999-03-28 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-03-29 0:00 ` Steve Quinlan
1999-03-29 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-30 0:00 ` SpamSpamSpam
1999-03-30 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-30 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1999-03-30 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-30 0:00 ` SpamSpamSpam
1999-03-30 0:00 ` dewar
1999-03-31 0:00 ` SpamSpamSpam
1999-03-31 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-04-02 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-03-30 0:00 ` Stephen Thomas
1999-03-30 0:00 ` bourguet
1999-03-30 0:00 ` SpamSpamSpam
1999-03-29 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-03-30 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1999-03-31 0:00 ` west
1999-04-01 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-04-01 0:00 ` Steve Doiel
1999-04-02 0:00 ` dennison
1999-04-02 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-04-02 0:00 ` kewick
1999-04-02 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-04-05 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1999-04-03 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-03-27 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-03-27 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-27 0:00 ` west
1999-03-28 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-04-16 0:00 ` s.shering
1999-03-28 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-03-28 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-03-27 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-03-28 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-15 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-21 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-22 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-22 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-22 0:00 ` Gisle S�lensminde
1999-03-23 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-23 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-23 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-26 0:00 ` R. Rabeau
1999-03-26 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-03-11 0:00 ` kirk
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-03-15 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-12 0:00 ` steve
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Joseph P Vlietstra
1999-03-15 0:00 ` Mark D. McKinney
1999-03-13 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-14 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Gunther Dragoski
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Dino Gianisis
1999-03-13 0:00 ` Olivier Devuns
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Steve Whalen
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Gordon Dodrill
1999-03-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-13 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-15 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-13 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Andreas Winckler
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1990-08-15 23:05 ` Michael Endrizzi
1990-08-15 15:19 Michael Endrizzi
1990-08-15 17:52 ` Jerry Callen
1990-08-17 17:21 ` Steve Vestal
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