From: Shark8 <onewingedshark@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: (placepo) Properties
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 15:24:27 -0800 (PST)
Date: 2010-12-06T15:24:27-08:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7dccc130-1958-4d67-8b98-643a413c1c22@p38g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: op.vm80r2niz25lew@macpro-eth1.krischik.com
On Dec 5, 9:15 am, "Martin Krischik" <krisc...@users.sourceforge.net>
wrote:
> Am 02.12.2010, 00:24 Uhr, schrieb Georg Bauhaus
> <rm-host.bauh...@maps.futureapps.de>:
>
> > I don't see how "automatic" get/set subprograms offer
> > software engineering advantage, even when they are terse
> > and semi-implicit and purport to avoid repetitive clutter.
>
> Actually they don't. Not if you can't replace the automated get/set with a
> user defined function. Especially for set this is important as set should
> check the value and notify observers of the change. I see far to many
> mutators which neglect this. And get should protect the value from outside
> changes by by either returning the value as constant or by coping the
> value. But especially in Java I often wonder why accessors and mutators
> are used at all.
>
> For example in Scala where accessors and mutators are automaticly
> generated (without get and set prefix as Scala is functional [1]) this has
> come back to haunt the language as it becomes very complicated to create
> rich accessors and mutators.
>
> Ok, one thing is left: properties can be overridden. For example a
> abstract property can be defined in an interface.
>
> Martin
>
> [1] Which makes me wonder: The set and get prefix are not needed in Ada or
> Java - so why not do without them?
> --
> Martin Krischik
> mailto://krisc...@users.sourceforge.nethttps://sourceforge.net/users/krischik
I agree that setters SHOULD ensure that the values they change [to]
are valid; that was the main purpose of them!
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Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-28 3:21 Properties Shark8
2010-11-28 8:15 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-28 19:43 ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-29 8:34 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 18:15 ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-28 12:37 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-11-28 21:22 ` Properties Shark8
2010-11-29 16:54 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-01 19:52 ` Properties Martin Krischik
2010-12-01 23:24 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-05 16:15 ` (placepo) Properties Martin Krischik
2010-12-06 23:24 ` Shark8 [this message]
2010-12-01 23:31 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-11-30 1:49 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-11-30 16:58 ` Properties Charmed Snark
2010-11-30 17:22 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-30 20:27 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 8:39 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 15:21 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 15:59 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 16:20 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-01 18:22 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 19:36 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-01 21:13 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-01 21:35 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-01 21:45 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 9:57 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 10:26 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 15:25 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 15:46 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 21:11 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-02 22:19 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-03 4:43 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 13:53 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-03 21:32 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 22:13 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-06 23:30 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 23:33 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 17:43 ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-04 20:48 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-04 22:27 ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-04 22:31 ` Properties Vinzent Hoefler
2010-12-03 4:24 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 5:00 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 21:10 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-03 23:34 ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-06 6:02 ` Properties Brad Moore
2010-12-06 23:25 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-01 19:48 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-01 21:10 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 0:03 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-02 16:45 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 17:32 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-02 20:45 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 21:17 ` Properties Adam Beneschan
2010-12-02 21:40 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 3:34 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 8:16 ` Properties Thomas Løcke
2010-12-02 20:52 ` Properties Pascal Obry
2010-12-02 19:46 ` Properties Adam Beneschan
2010-12-02 20:38 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-02 21:39 ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-02 21:55 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 9:33 ` Properties Anonymous
2010-12-03 3:47 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 0:09 ` Properties Robert A Duff
2010-12-03 15:49 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 20:07 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 21:01 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-06 23:22 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-07 14:37 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-08 21:13 ` Properties Simon Wright
2010-12-09 1:21 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-06 23:43 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-07 0:56 ` Properties Jeffrey Carter
2010-12-07 11:23 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-07 11:51 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-07 15:35 ` Properties Maciej Sobczak
2010-12-07 17:02 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
2010-12-07 14:39 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 15:40 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 19:56 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 20:12 ` Properties Warren
2010-12-03 5:53 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 9:05 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-03 19:52 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-03 21:14 ` Properties Randy Brukardt
2010-12-04 5:35 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 14:23 ` Properties Peter C. Chapin
2010-12-04 18:53 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-13 15:10 ` Properties Brian Drummond
2010-12-03 22:38 ` Properties Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-04 3:12 ` Properties Shark8
2010-12-04 13:19 ` Properties Georg Bauhaus
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