From: whiter5195@my-dejanews.com
To: kevin@world.com
Subject: Re: US-MN-Mpls >>> Ada Software Engineers <<<
Date: 1999/02/13
Date: 1999-02-13T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7a2qd2$dmu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7a1ce9$4l2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com
In article <7a1ce9$4l2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <79tk4j$cqf@drn.newsguy.com>,
> kevin@nospamworld.com wrote:
>
> > Actually, Ada programmers make less than C++ or Java or
^^^^^^^^^^^
The title says "Ada software engineer" which might be
considered a horse of a different color. In fact that may
be just one of the distinguishing attributes from a
"programmer".
> > even C.
>
> Reading this first sentence, it sounds dubious since it
> cites no reliable source.
>
> > You don't have to believe me, just go to
> > http://www.dice.com, search
> > for Ada as key word, you'll see about 30 or so positions,
> > with less pay than
> > C/C++/Java/Unix positions. (If you search for C++ you'll
> > get 100's of
> > positions).
>
> Ah and now we see that indeed the source of information
> is completely useless. These listings give no idea of
> what real pay levels look like in the general industry.
> Anyone who believes they do is operating under severe
> misconceptions!
I agree. That is not a location we use for experienced,
high salary, software engineers. Rather a network of personal
contacts and skilled headhunters is used for the top 20 companies
hiring skilled talent from each other. Some of the better
contract engineering (temp 1 - 5 year help) firms also do very
well in this venue.
> >
> > When I last was looking for a position, calling the Ada
> > work agents listed, they would be shocked if I mentioned
> > a rate over $50/hr. Yet, calling the
> > C++ agents, and asking for $80-$100/hr was not even
> > questioned, and many positions would be happy to pay
> > that for the right person.>
>
> There are many Ada programmers making very good salaries,
> and many C and C++ programmers not making much at all. As
> usual things depend on skills and requirements. Clearly
> your Ada skills did not qualify you for the high paying
> Ada jobs. It is certainly the case that really skilled
> Ada programmers can do well for themselves these days!
As a senior industry (avionics/navigation) software
engineer, I have to agree with Professor Dewar. I
know what I make and what I have to pay to get skilled
experienced talent in our embedded systems product area. No
different than what you quote above for capable personnel.
_____________________________________________________________________
Robert S. White -- a little bit south of MN Mpls
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-02-10 0:00 US-MN-Mpls >>> Ada Software Engineers <<< SDC
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Bob
1999-02-10 0:00 ` David Emery
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Dino Gianisis
1999-02-10 0:00 ` kevin
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1999-02-11 0:00 ` kevin
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-12 0:00 ` kevin
1999-02-12 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-02-12 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-13 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1999-02-14 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-13 0:00 ` whiter5195 [this message]
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-11 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Andrzej Lewandowski
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Dalen Kruse
1999-02-10 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Paul Whittington
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1999-02-10 0:00 ` bkwposx
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Steve O'Neill
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Steve Doiel
1999-02-11 0:00 ` fraser
[not found] ` <79v9f4$fe$1@remarq.com>
1999-02-11 0:00 ` fraser
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-15 0:00 ` fraser
1999-02-15 0:00 ` Alan Hohn
1999-02-15 0:00 ` kevin
1999-02-16 0:00 ` Ada jobs & Programming: Art or Science? [was: MN] Alan Hohn
1999-02-16 0:00 ` kevin
1999-02-16 0:00 ` Alan Hohn
1999-02-17 0:00 ` Ada jobs & " Jerry van Dijk
1999-02-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-17 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-18 0:00 ` Michael Stark
1999-02-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-16 0:00 ` US-MN-Mpls >>> Ada Software Engineers <<< Tom Moran
1999-02-16 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1999-02-16 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-16 0:00 ` What Ada's used for (was: US-MN-Mpls >>> Ada Software Engineers <<<) dennison
1999-02-11 0:00 ` US-MN-Mpls >>> Ada Software Engineers <<< Tom Moran
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Dr Steve Sangwine
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-12 0:00 ` Gautier
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