From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca>
Subject: Re: Need advice re package organization.
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:39:36 -0400
Date: 2003-07-31T12:39:36-04:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7DbWa.1370$qN3.183518@news20.bellglobal.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vigijhb0op0t69@corp.supernews.com>
Randy Brukardt wrote:
> "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
> news:clWVa.4191$mv6.741217@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>>The problem occurs in the private child package (IMO) because
>>you want to derive new objects from parent tagged records. The
>>danger that develops is that the child package's body code may
>>monkey with things in the parent object that you don't want it
>>to (this is lack of information hiding).
>>
>>However, you can fix the object visibility by making it a non
>>child package (just another package using the first). However,
>>the problem then becomes that you lose access to other types
>>and definitions that are in the other package's private part.
>>
>>So in my mind, there still exists a short-coming OO wise
>>in the visibility rules for objects: it needs a way to
>>mark parts of a tagged object as "off limits" for the child
>>package, which always enjoys full visibility of the parent
>>package's tagged record (object).
>
> You can do this by deferring the contents of the tagged type to the body:
>
> type My_Type_Contents;
> type My_Type_Contents_Access is access all My_Type_Contents;
> type My_Type is tagged record
> Contents : My_Type_Contents_Access;
> end record;
>
> Then no child can see the contents. Claw uses this technique in some cases.
> The body contains the full declaration of My_Type_Contents.
That appears to accomplish the end result. However, this
design pays a price in allocating and freeing an additional
[sub]object.
For some designs this would be acceptable, but not where
you have many instances of the object, where the price
of allocate/free is too heavy.
So I think my point still stands: you really cannot "properly"
accomplish what I have set out to do, although you have
illustrated a work-around.
> This technique works best when the tagged type is Controlled (since the vast
> majority of tagged types ought to be controlled, this is not a real
> restriction). Then the Initialize routine can allocate the contents, and the
> Finalize can free it. The only remaining danger would be someone assigning a
> Null into the Contents access, which is a lot less likely than fiddling with
> components.
>
> Randy.
Agreed that the risk is lower, but it still exists if you place
the objects (from a library) in the hands of a user. If you
are supporting that library, this increases risk of servicing
calls that should not be your responsibility.
--
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-07-31 16:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-07-26 13:08 Need advice re package organization Bobby D. Bryant
2003-07-26 14:25 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-26 15:27 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-26 22:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-27 22:01 ` chris
2003-07-28 2:53 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-07-29 4:52 ` Richard Riehle
2003-07-27 22:02 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-28 8:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-29 17:18 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-30 8:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-30 21:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-30 22:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-31 16:39 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2003-07-31 17:31 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-31 21:00 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31 22:13 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-01 12:51 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31 5:57 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-07-31 16:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31 22:33 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-01 2:58 ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-08-01 13:51 ` Stephen Leake
2003-08-01 22:15 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-08-04 13:45 ` Stephen Leake
2003-08-01 13:01 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31 9:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-31 16:59 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-07-31 20:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-07-31 21:15 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-08-01 20:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-08-01 21:33 ` Stephen Leake
2003-08-04 19:40 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-08-04 19:52 ` Stephen Leake
2003-08-05 3:36 ` Richard Riehle
2003-08-05 4:03 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-08-05 7:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-07-26 17:03 ` Nick Roberts
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