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From: leake@cme.nbs.gov (Stephe Leake)
Subject: Re: Garbage Collection
Date: 14 Dec 88 17:16:06 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <792@marvin.cme.nbs.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: klaiber@june.cs.washington.edu's message of 13 Dec 88 23:36:44 GMT


In article <6713@june.cs.washington.edu> klaiber@june.cs.washington.edu (Alexander Klaiber) writes:

   Clearly, there is a tradeoff between readability and efficiency. In my
   version, I reduce efficiency by requiring garbage collection (although
   there exist rather powerful and fast GC algorithms). Your proposal
   would definitely increase the complexity of the program and, due to the
   overhead of a DB-lookup, might actually run slower than the version with
   GC --- depending on circumstances such as frequency of lookups in the 
   database, size of the database (your program) vs. time required for GC, 
   amount of garbage produced etc. (my program).

You are not reducing the complexity of the program; you are merely
hiding it in the vendor-supplied memory management package. If the
program is written correctly, the complexity can be hidden in a
user-supplied memory management package. Then there is no difference
in the readability of the application code, and the programmer has the
chance to tailor the garbage collection algorithm to the application.
Since there are many garbage collection algorithms (each posting here
seems to mention another one), it is clear that each will be suited to
certain applications. Better to require the programmer to choose the
algorithm, than to be tempted to "live with" the single vendor
supplied one. There is no way the vendor can take into account the
trade-offs you mention, but you can!

Stephe Leake 	(301) 975-3431 		leake@cme.nbs.gov
National Institute of Standards and Technology
(formerly National Bureau of Standards)
Rm. B-124, Bldg. 220
Gaithersburg, MD  20899

  parent reply	other threads:[~1988-12-14 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1988-12-03 22:53 Collective response to := messages Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-04 20:41 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-05  5:47   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1988-12-05 12:45     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-06  1:54       ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1988-12-06 20:43         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-07 15:22         ` Collective response to := messa ron
1988-12-11 19:11           ` Garbage Collection William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-12  5:29             ` John Gateley
1988-12-12 18:19               ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-13  1:02                 ` Alexander Klaiber
1988-12-13 18:37                   ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-13 23:36                     ` Alexander Klaiber
1988-12-14  3:26                       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-14 17:16                       ` Stephe Leake [this message]
1988-12-15 14:43                       ` Thomas P. Morris
1988-12-14 23:30                     ` John Gateley
1988-12-15 19:25                       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-19 16:12                         ` John Gateley
1988-12-20 19:34                           ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-16  0:49                     ` Keys are references, too (was Re: Garbage Collection) Badger BA 64810
1988-12-18 18:42                       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-13 20:22                   ` Garbage Collection William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-14  6:40                     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1988-12-14 17:43                       ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-02 17:51             ` ryer
1989-01-05  8:31               ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-06 16:58             ` ryer
1989-01-08 19:24               ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1999-08-18  0:00 garbage collection Ronald Ayoub
1999-08-18  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-08-19  0:00   ` Gautier
1999-08-19  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-08-20  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-18  0:00 ` tmoran
1999-08-18  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-19  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1999-08-19  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-19  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-20  0:00     ` tmoran
1999-08-20  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-20  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-08-20  0:00           ` Keith Thompson
1999-08-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-21  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-08-21  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1999-08-21  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-21  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-21  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-18  0:00 ` Gisle S�lensminde
1999-08-18  0:00 ` Pascal MALAISE
1999-08-20  0:00   ` David Botton
1996-10-24  0:00 Garbage Collection H Brett Bolen
1989-01-10 19:16 Erland Sommarskog
1989-01-11 16:10 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-06 22:17 Erland Sommarskog
1989-01-08 18:40 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-09  3:56   ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-09 16:22     ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-09 19:00       ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-10  2:50         ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-11  9:22           ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-11 16:01             ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-11 18:21               ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-12  2:43                 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1989-01-15  7:14                   ` Barry Margolin
1989-01-05 23:26 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-31  0:04 Erland Sommarskog
1989-01-05  8:13 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-28 19:20 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-30  0:52 ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-26 23:37 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-27 21:24 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
1988-12-28 16:09   ` Snorri Agnarsson
1988-12-30  0:46     ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-27 22:24 ` Bob Hathaway
1988-12-18 20:12 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-20 19:04 ` Bill Wolfe
1988-12-13 20:07 Erland Sommarskog
1988-12-15 19:13 ` William Thomas Wolfe,2847,
     [not found] <145@krafla.rhi.hi.is>
     [not found] ` <272@fang.ATT.COM>
1988-03-29 13:47   ` From Modula to Oberon Denis Fortin
1988-03-30 15:32     ` Lawrence Crowl
1988-03-30 22:41       ` Hans Boehm
1988-03-31  6:27         ` Garbage Collection Richard Harter
1988-03-31 19:49           ` Hans Boehm
1988-04-01  5:43             ` Richard Harter
1988-04-01 18:43               ` Hans Boehm
1988-04-04 23:14           ` 00704a-Liber
1986-03-16 22:24 Garbage collection "Alexander L. Wolf"
     [not found] <1979@mit-eddi.UUCP>
     [not found] ` <2144@mit-eddie.UUCP>
1984-06-18 19:28   ` Abstraction In Ada Jon Mauney
1984-06-22  7:47     ` Doug Alan
1984-06-25  2:15       ` brad
1984-07-17 10:34         ` garbage collection Eric Smith
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