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From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Why is Ada considered "too specialized" for scientific use
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 04:59:59 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2010-04-07T04:59:59-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7276a247-2ad8-418e-b401-34a5d61c4166@g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: a2es29i1grpc$.69uwrqotcqjt$.dlg@40tude.net

On 7 Kwi, 10:24, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
wrote:

> A reader would expect this procedure idempotent. Consider a program:
>
>    X; X; X; -- What does this do?

This is the same as today with regular parameterless procedures:

procedure X (Spacing : in Positive_Count := 1)
   renames Ada.Text_IO.New_Line;

Now, what the reader would expect from your example?

> >    A := Y;     -- parameterless function call on Y
>
> I would prefer the ":=" (A, Y); interpretation, here.

As I've pointed out, that would be resolved in the same way as
overloading by return type. The ":=" (A, Y) interpretation might not
match, whereas the overloaded function call on My_Other_Magic_Type
might return the type that is appropriate for assignment to A.

It's a regular overload resolution stuff.

> >    B := Y (3); -- function call on Y with one param
>
> Better it be ":="(B, "index" (Y, 3));

Except that the notion of "index" might not be appropriate. Function
is a more general term (indexing is a kind of function, but not the
other way round).

> The things you could do with your proposal could probably be achieved in
> other ways. For example, I considered a "touch" primitive operation, which
> similarly to Adjust, to be called each time you access a volatile object in
> order to get its value. This could be useful for tracing, interlocking,
> garbage collection, persistency layer purposes, etc.

Except that with the overloaded function call operator, you would not
need "touch", as the function body would be already a right place to
put all such tracing.

--
Maciej Sobczak * http://www.inspirel.com

YAMI4 - Messaging Solution for Distributed Systems
http://www.inspirel.com/yami4



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2010-04-04  4:46 Why is Ada considered "too specialized" for scientific use Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-04  5:30 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-04-06 15:04   ` Adam Beneschan
2010-04-04  7:10 ` Pascal Obry
2010-04-04 18:24 ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-06  9:52   ` Peter Hermann
2010-04-07 20:08   ` Denis McMahon
2010-04-04 20:53 ` Andrea Taverna
2010-04-13 20:31   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-14 16:00     ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-14 19:18       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-04 23:41 ` Jerry
2010-04-05  0:29   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05  9:09 ` mockturtle
2010-04-05 11:20   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-05 11:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-05 16:44   ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-06 14:03     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-06 16:39       ` Warren
2010-04-06 17:53         ` Sebastian Hanigk
2010-04-06 20:45           ` Warren
2010-04-07  9:17           ` MRE
2010-04-08 10:10           ` Ken Thomas
2010-04-08 16:40             ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:34               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08 20:13                 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-06 19:53       ` J. Clarke
2010-04-06 21:37         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  4:25           ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  6:43             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 12:53               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07 16:19                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 17:05             ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-07 19:41               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  2:03       ` BrianG
2010-04-07  9:08         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08  0:20           ` BrianG
2010-04-08  2:29             ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-08  7:04             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-14 21:34     ` Florian Weimer
2010-04-05 20:51   ` none
2010-04-06  1:18     ` robin
2010-04-06 12:00       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-06 15:30         ` robin
2010-04-06 23:44           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:32             ` robin
2010-04-14 12:12               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-14 15:20                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-15  4:15                   ` J. Clarke
2010-04-15 10:04               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-15 15:10                 ` robin
2010-04-15 22:06                   ` Nomen Nescio
2010-04-16  0:02                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-17  8:43                     ` robin
2010-04-18 17:15                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22  1:39                         ` robin
2010-04-22  9:59                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22 12:49                             ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-22 13:20                             ` robin
2010-05-14 10:50                 ` robin
2010-05-16  1:23                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17  9:23                     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:05                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17 10:09                         ` robin
2010-05-17 15:57                         ` robin
2010-05-19 14:55                           ` Richard Harter
2010-04-07 19:27           ` Simon Wright
2010-04-08  2:01             ` robin
2010-04-08 15:27             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:27               ` robin
2010-04-15 10:02                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-23  7:29                   ` robin
2010-04-23 16:14                     ` J. Clarke
2010-04-23 21:51                       ` Peter Flass
2010-04-23 23:25                         ` Sjouke Burry
2010-04-24  0:18                           ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-24  1:05                             ` Richard Maine
2010-04-24  0:23                           ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-04-24  0:30                           ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-04-26 15:28                             ` Warren
2010-04-25  2:43                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-16 11:04               ` sjw
2010-04-18 17:26                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-05 10:58                 ` robin
2010-06-06  4:25                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 14:53                     ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-06 15:15                       ` J. Clarke
     [not found]                         ` <4c0cbc04$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-07 13:23                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 18:50                             ` George Orwell
2010-06-08  1:21                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:26                         ` Peter Hermann
2010-06-06 17:10                       ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-06 19:17                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-08  6:27                           ` James J. Weinkam
2010-06-08  7:13                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08 10:43                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:23                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:03                             ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-07  9:39                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:16                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 18:33                       ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-06 15:12                     ` robin
2010-06-07  9:45                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:10                         ` robin
2010-06-09 10:48                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 23:59                             ` robin
2010-06-10 10:06                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:52                                 ` robin
2010-06-10 13:49                                   ` Richard Harter
2010-06-06 15:19                     ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 16:51                       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 17:51                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  9:38                         ` robin
2010-06-08 10:07                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:54                             ` robin
2010-06-07  9:41                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:15                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 19:12                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 20:39                           ` John B. Matthews
2010-06-07  0:17                             ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  6:02                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 23:01                         ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07  0:18                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  5:34                             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  9:48                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 10:36                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 16:18                                 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-07 22:03                                   ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:00                                     ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08  1:16                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  5:31                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  6:15                         ` robin
2010-06-07 10:40                           ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 12:35                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 13:29                               ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 21:04                                 ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07 21:56                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:06                                   ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08 10:11                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 10:01                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:16                                   ` robin
2010-06-08  1:22                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:35                               ` robin
2010-06-07 14:56                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:07                               ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 15:08                               ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-06-07 15:23                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:34                                   ` (see below)
2010-06-08  9:57                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 21:57                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:02                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08  9:53                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:54                                   ` robin
2010-06-08 11:23                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 10:50                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:47                                     ` robin
     [not found]                                       ` <4c0fa318$1$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-09 23:54                                         ` robin
2010-06-10 10:48                                           ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-10 15:12                                             ` robin
     [not found]                                           ` <4c10b858$4$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-10 10:59                                             ` robin
2010-06-07 12:50                             ` Robert AH Prins
2010-06-07 14:22                             ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-07 21:07                               ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-08  9:54                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:30                             ` robin
2010-06-08 10:14                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:58                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 14:23                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 15:24                             ` Richard Harter
2010-06-07 21:05                               ` Wilson
2010-06-08  1:18                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  9:32                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-25 16:32       ` robin
2010-05-14 10:54     ` robin
2010-04-13 20:18   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-14 11:53     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:26       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-17 13:36         ` Dan Nagle
2010-04-05 17:33 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-05 19:24   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05 20:28     ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:30       ` Alex Mentis
2010-04-06  0:38     ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-06  8:07       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-06 21:55         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  2:52           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-07 20:07             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-04-07  7:28         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-07  8:24           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 11:59             ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2010-04-07 13:44               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 20:21                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-08 11:53                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-08 13:40 ` Vincent LAFAGE
2010-04-08 16:29   ` Georg Bauhaus
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