From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Why is Ada considered "too specialized" for scientific use
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 04:59:59 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2010-04-07T04:59:59-07:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7276a247-2ad8-418e-b401-34a5d61c4166@g10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> (raw)
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On 7 Kwi, 10:24, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
wrote:
> A reader would expect this procedure idempotent. Consider a program:
>
> X; X; X; -- What does this do?
This is the same as today with regular parameterless procedures:
procedure X (Spacing : in Positive_Count := 1)
renames Ada.Text_IO.New_Line;
Now, what the reader would expect from your example?
> > A := Y; -- parameterless function call on Y
>
> I would prefer the ":=" (A, Y); interpretation, here.
As I've pointed out, that would be resolved in the same way as
overloading by return type. The ":=" (A, Y) interpretation might not
match, whereas the overloaded function call on My_Other_Magic_Type
might return the type that is appropriate for assignment to A.
It's a regular overload resolution stuff.
> > B := Y (3); -- function call on Y with one param
>
> Better it be ":="(B, "index" (Y, 3));
Except that the notion of "index" might not be appropriate. Function
is a more general term (indexing is a kind of function, but not the
other way round).
> The things you could do with your proposal could probably be achieved in
> other ways. For example, I considered a "touch" primitive operation, which
> similarly to Adjust, to be called each time you access a volatile object in
> order to get its value. This could be useful for tracing, interlocking,
> garbage collection, persistency layer purposes, etc.
Except that with the overloaded function call operator, you would not
need "touch", as the function body would be already a right place to
put all such tracing.
--
Maciej Sobczak * http://www.inspirel.com
YAMI4 - Messaging Solution for Distributed Systems
http://www.inspirel.com/yami4
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2010-04-04 4:46 Why is Ada considered "too specialized" for scientific use Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-04 5:30 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-04-06 15:04 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-04-04 7:10 ` Pascal Obry
2010-04-04 18:24 ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-06 9:52 ` Peter Hermann
2010-04-07 20:08 ` Denis McMahon
2010-04-04 20:53 ` Andrea Taverna
2010-04-13 20:31 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-14 16:00 ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-14 19:18 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-04 23:41 ` Jerry
2010-04-05 0:29 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05 9:09 ` mockturtle
2010-04-05 11:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-05 11:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-05 16:44 ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-06 14:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-06 16:39 ` Warren
2010-04-06 17:53 ` Sebastian Hanigk
2010-04-06 20:45 ` Warren
2010-04-07 9:17 ` MRE
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2010-04-08 18:34 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08 20:13 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-06 19:53 ` J. Clarke
2010-04-06 21:37 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 4:25 ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07 6:43 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 12:53 ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07 16:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 17:05 ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-07 19:41 ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07 2:03 ` BrianG
2010-04-07 9:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08 0:20 ` BrianG
2010-04-08 2:29 ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-08 7:04 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-14 21:34 ` Florian Weimer
2010-04-05 20:51 ` none
2010-04-06 1:18 ` robin
2010-04-06 12:00 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-06 15:30 ` robin
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2010-04-14 9:32 ` robin
2010-04-14 12:12 ` J. Clarke
2010-04-14 15:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-15 4:15 ` J. Clarke
2010-04-15 10:04 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-15 15:10 ` robin
2010-04-15 22:06 ` Nomen Nescio
2010-04-16 0:02 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-17 8:43 ` robin
2010-04-18 17:15 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22 1:39 ` robin
2010-04-22 9:59 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22 12:49 ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-22 13:20 ` robin
2010-05-14 10:50 ` robin
2010-05-16 1:23 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17 9:23 ` robin
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2010-05-17 10:09 ` robin
2010-05-17 15:57 ` robin
2010-05-19 14:55 ` Richard Harter
2010-04-07 19:27 ` Simon Wright
2010-04-08 2:01 ` robin
2010-04-08 15:27 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14 9:27 ` robin
2010-04-15 10:02 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-23 7:29 ` robin
2010-04-23 16:14 ` J. Clarke
2010-04-23 21:51 ` Peter Flass
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2010-04-24 0:18 ` Gary L. Scott
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2010-04-26 15:28 ` Warren
2010-04-25 2:43 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-16 11:04 ` sjw
2010-04-18 17:26 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-05 10:58 ` robin
2010-06-06 4:25 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 14:53 ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-06 15:15 ` J. Clarke
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2010-06-07 18:50 ` George Orwell
2010-06-08 1:21 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:26 ` Peter Hermann
2010-06-06 17:10 ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-06 19:17 ` J. Clarke
2010-06-08 6:27 ` James J. Weinkam
2010-06-08 7:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08 10:43 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:23 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:03 ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-07 9:39 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:16 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 18:33 ` Non scrivetemi
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2010-06-08 11:10 ` robin
2010-06-09 10:48 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 23:59 ` robin
2010-06-10 10:06 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:52 ` robin
2010-06-10 13:49 ` Richard Harter
2010-06-06 15:19 ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 16:51 ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 17:51 ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 9:38 ` robin
2010-06-08 10:07 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:54 ` robin
2010-06-07 9:41 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:15 ` Martin Krischik
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2010-06-06 23:01 ` Gib Bogle
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2010-06-07 9:48 ` Shmuel Metz
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2010-06-07 22:00 ` glen herrmannsfeldt
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2010-06-07 5:31 ` Martin Krischik
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2010-06-07 10:40 ` Peter Flass
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2010-06-08 10:11 ` Shmuel Metz
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2010-06-08 11:16 ` robin
2010-06-08 1:22 ` Shmuel Metz
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