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From: davidson@sdcsvax.UUCP (Greg Davidson)
Subject: Language criticism
Date: Sat, 2-Mar-85 19:23:47 EST	[thread overview]
Date: Sat Mar  2 19:23:47 1985
Message-ID: <711@sdcsvax.UUCP> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7016@watdaisy.UUCP

<flame on>

I am getting very tired of opinionated articles from people who don't
have expertise and experience backing them up.  I have just read a
string of articles telling us all why we shouldn't use LISP from people
who have only a faint acquaintance with the language.  A similar
situation is going on in net.lang.c about Modula vs. C.  In both cases,
the people who are devout adherents of language X think that they have
the goods on language Y.  I have noticed that expert responses are less
and less frequent and assume that the experts are fed up and are
unsubscribing from these newsgroups.  This is impoverishing us all.

The opinions I had about LISP before I had had major experience with
the language are laughable.  With my exposure to only mainstream languages
(FORTRAN, ALGOL, Pascal, etc.) I was unable to understand why anyone
should use LISP.  After going through a complete turnaround with LISP
(and a milder version of the same thing with PROLOG), I will now spare
the community the burden of my uninformed opinions.  I ask the same of
the rest of you.

I have read almost no informed criticism of LISP in any of these
groups, so if you're thinking ``at least MY opinions are justified'',
then you are almost certainly one of the offenders.  I will follow up
this article with a later one revealing some of the common
misconceptions about LISP, but for now I don't want to dilute my
point.  Before I unsubscribe from the newsgroups that claim to be
forums for some of my favorite topics, I intend to kick up a fuss.

<flame off>

_Greg

  parent reply	other threads:[~1985-03-03  0:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1985-02-14 15:59 Thus spake the DoD Frederick J Dickey
1985-02-17  1:58 ` Robert Hofkin
1985-02-17 16:36 ` g-frank
1985-02-18  5:18   ` Skef Wholey
1985-02-18 14:33 ` Chuck Hedrick
1985-02-19 19:09   ` Daniel J. Salomon
1985-02-22  2:21     ` LISP &c (re: the DoD...) Thomas M. Breuel
1985-02-25 17:08     ` Thus spake the DoD Jan Steinman
1985-02-26 23:20     ` Stanley Shebs
1985-02-27 19:22       ` Daniel J. Salomon
1985-03-01 19:30         ` Stanley Shebs
1985-03-01 20:13         ` neves
1985-03-02  4:33         ` Thomas M. Breuel
1985-03-02 18:35           ` Efficiency of LISP Marty Sasaki
1985-03-03  0:23         ` Greg Davidson [this message]
1985-03-06 14:13         ` Thus spake the DoD geb
1985-02-28  3:16       ` David Schachter
1985-03-01 19:00         ` Stanley Shebs
1985-03-03  3:08         ` Joaquim Martillo
1985-03-03  6:12         ` T J Jardine
1985-03-05 16:55           ` Jan Steinman
1985-03-05 21:07           ` Robert A. Pease
1985-03-12  1:47           ` Ed Colbert
1985-03-13 19:35       ` Monique M Taylor
1985-03-17 19:49         ` Jan Steinman
1985-03-21  1:17           ` faustus
1985-03-12  0:25     ` Efficiency of LISP Stavros Macrakis
1985-03-12  2:11     ` Efficiency of numerical Lisp code (details) Stavros Macrakis
1985-03-13  7:05     ` Chuck Hedrick
1985-03-13 20:00     ` Speed with numbers: PDP-10 Maclisp vs. Fortran (details) Stavros Macrakis
1985-03-14 10:12       ` Tim Maroney
1985-03-15  0:27         ` Bill Henneman
1985-03-16  0:59           ` Tim Maroney
1985-03-17 18:58             ` Bill Henneman
1985-03-18  5:02               ` Multi-language systems Marty Sasaki
1985-03-20 17:01                 ` Tom Slack
1985-03-18 21:24               ` Speed with numbers: PDP-10 Maclisp vs. Fortran (details) Tim Maroney
1985-03-19  6:45                 ` Fortran better than Lisp for numerical code? Barry Margolin
1985-03-19 17:35                   ` Speed of Lisp numerical code Stavros Macrakis
1985-03-20 21:04                   ` Fortran better than Lisp for numerical code? T J Jardine
1985-03-22  2:10                     ` Joe Orost
1985-03-19 16:15                 ` Speed with numbers: PDP-10 Maclisp vs. Fortran (details) Bill Henneman
1985-03-19  3:40               ` Norman Diamond
1985-03-18  3:01             ` Common Lisp and Arrays Joaquim Martillo
1985-02-18 23:49 ` Thus spake the DoD M.Fischer
1985-03-14 20:50 ` Speed with numbers: PDP-10 Maclisp vs. Fortran (details) Stavros Macrakis
1985-03-15 15:42 ` Stanley Shebs
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