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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: OpenSSL development (Heartbleed)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:30:08 +0200
Date: 2014-04-23T09:30:08+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6xpjk44lobfz.fctt93m75u47$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrnlleked.i0l.lithiumcat@nat.rebma.instinctive.eu

On Wed, 23 Apr 2014 05:38:21 +0000 (UTC), Natasha Kerensikova wrote:

> On 2014-04-22, Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 16:57:28 +0000 (UTC), Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> No, properly _implemented_ standards are what is required.
>>> 
>>> Heartbleed came about because a boundary check was missing which allowed
>>> a invalid request to be processed instead of being rejected and, because
>>> of the _implementation_, was allowed access to memory that had nothing to
>>> do with the request.
>>> 
>>> This was a failure in the implementation of the standard, not a failure
>>> of the standard itself.
>>
>> Boundary checks or not, the transport layer shall have no access to the
>> server data.
>>
>> A tightly coupled system is vulnerable. If compromising just one component
>> opens all gates wide, that is a bad standard and bad design. The effects of
>> errors and faults must be bounded per design. 
> 
> How would you design a transport layer that has no access to whatever is
> supposed to be transported?
> 
> "Heartbleed" didn't leak any data that ins't legitimataly needed by
> OpenSSL (i.e. transported data and/or transport parameters (like keys))

I heard it leaked user data, I didn't go into details. I hope user data are
not transported, because otherwise that would be even an greater design
fault.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de


  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-23  7:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-19 14:31 OpenSSL development (Heartbleed) Alan Browne
2014-04-19 15:06 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-19 15:41   ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 15:36 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 16:00   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 16:34     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 17:06       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:13         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 20:39           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:42       ` Alan Browne
2014-04-21 23:51       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-04-22 15:20         ` G.B.
2014-04-22 16:33           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22 16:57             ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-22 19:53               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22 20:49                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-23  5:38                 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-04-23  7:30                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2014-04-23  7:40                     ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-04-23  8:04                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23  8:20                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-23  7:42                     ` Egil H H
2014-04-23  8:06                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 16:06   ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:42     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 16:59       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 19:12       ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 20:20         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 20:53           ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 21:10             ` [OT] OpenBSD, was: " Simon Clubley
2014-04-19 21:53               ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 22:15                 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-19 22:34                   ` Alan Browne
2014-04-20  8:17             ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-20 16:49               ` Alan Browne
2014-04-22 12:18                 ` G.B.
2014-04-19 15:47 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 16:21   ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:46     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 19:22       ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 20:33         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 21:10           ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:50     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:25       ` Alan Browne
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