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From: Jonathan Guthrie <jguthrie@brokersys.com>
Subject: Re: Fortran or Ada?
Date: 1998/09/25
Date: 1998-09-25T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6uf1kg$85q$1@news.hal-pc.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 6uenvf$g9a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com

In comp.lang.ada dewarr@my-dejanews.com wrote:

(snippage in re confusing * and **)

> Craig, surely you do not know Ada in writing the above!
> The character * never has syntactic significance other
> than as a multiplication operator, and ** is exponentiation.

> If you mean to write

>    A : constant integer := B * 2;

> and you write

>    A : constant integer := B ** 2;

> it sure is difficult to see why you would expect a
> diagnostic!!!!

> One could argue that it is unwise to use ** as exponentiation
> precisely because of this one character differentiation, but
> that seems a bit extreme to me!

You know, I am sometimes amazed at the sheer range of computer program
languages that seemed to be designed specifically to avoid common
errors.

A while back, I was involved in a discussion on comp.lang.functional
and one of the proponents of Erlang indicated that a primary feature
of Erlang was that it eliminated the possibility of many common
programmers' errors.  This is similar to the point being made here
about Ada.

However, I made the point that (C style) pointers and (again C-style)
assignments in conditionals and such don't seem to cause that much
difficulty with my programs.  I've spent much more time tracking down
reversed branches (doing a section of code when a condition of true
when I REALLY want to do it only when the condition is false) and 
putting '+' when I REALLY want '-' (or similar) than any of what
people (who all seem to be promoting other languages) seem to consider
the troublesome aspects of C or FORTRAN.  I've spent FAR more time
tracking down a single hardware problem masquerading as a software
problem than I have all of the potential problems fixed by the aspects
of Ada's design.

If you can invent a computer program language that finds those sorts
of errors, I will switch to it immediately and never switch to anything
else.  Until then, I doubt that switching languages would do very much
to my defect rate.

So, I don't think it's at all far-fetched to consider replacing '**'
with some other character sequence that means exponentiation.

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  reply	other threads:[~1998-09-25  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <36068E73.F0398C54@meca.polymtl.ca>
1998-09-22  0:00 ` Fortran or Ada? Gisle S{lensminde
1998-09-22  0:00   ` Jeff Templon
1998-09-22  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-09-22  0:00     ` Corey Minyard
1998-09-22  0:00     ` dewarr
1998-09-23  0:00       ` Jeff Templon
1998-09-23  0:00         ` Corey Minyard
1998-09-24  0:00           ` Craig Burley
1998-09-25  0:00             ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00               ` Jonathan Guthrie [this message]
1998-09-26  0:00               ` Craig Burley
1998-09-26  0:00                 ` dewarr
1998-09-26  0:00                   ` Craig Burley
1998-09-26  0:00                   ` Robert B. Love 
1998-09-24  0:00           ` Joel Seidman
1998-09-24  0:00         ` Marc A. Criley
1998-09-24  0:00           ` dewarr
1998-09-24  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-24  0:00               ` William Clodius
1998-09-25  0:00                 ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00               ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-25  0:00                   ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00             ` jbs
1998-09-26  0:00               ` dewarr
1998-09-28  0:00                 ` jbs
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` Dean F. Sutherland
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` Dean F. Sutherland
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` William B. Clodius
1998-09-30  0:00                     ` jbs
1998-09-30  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1998-09-30  0:00                       ` dewarr
1998-09-30  0:00                         ` jbs
1998-09-30  0:00                           ` William Clodius
1998-10-03  0:00                       ` Niklas Holsti
1998-10-03  0:00                         ` Toon Moene
1998-10-03  0:00                           ` Niklas Holsti
1998-10-03  0:00                             ` Toon Moene
1998-10-04  0:00                               ` Niklas Holsti
1998-10-05  0:00                                 ` Michel OLAGNON
1998-10-05  0:00                                   ` Ian St. John
1998-10-05  0:00                                     ` dewarr
1998-10-05  0:00                                       ` Ian St. John
1998-10-06  0:00                                         ` dewarr
1998-10-06  0:00                                           ` James Giles
1998-10-06  0:00                                             ` Mark A Biggar
1998-10-06  0:00                                               ` James Giles
1998-10-07  0:00                                                 ` dewarr
1998-10-07  0:00                                             ` dewarr
1998-10-06  0:00                                           ` Toon Moene
1998-10-06  0:00                                             ` Jonathan Guthrie
1998-10-06  0:00                                           ` Ian St. John
1998-10-08  0:00                                             ` Offtopic Airport Diversion (Was: Fortran or Ada?) Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **
1998-10-08  0:00                                               ` Ian St. John
1998-10-08  0:00                                             ` Fortran or Ada? Gary L. Scott
1998-10-05  0:00                                     ` Richard D Riehle
1998-10-05  0:00                                       ` dewarr
1998-10-06  0:00                                     ` Michel OLAGNON
1998-10-07  0:00                                       ` Ian St. John
1998-09-29  0:00                   ` Dean F. Sutherland
1998-10-02  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-02  0:00                     ` jbs
1998-10-02  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1998-10-03  0:00                         ` jbs
1998-10-03  0:00                           ` Larry Elmore
1998-10-06  0:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-06  0:00                             ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-02  0:00                   ` Geoff Bull
1998-09-24  0:00           ` Jeff Templon
1998-09-25  0:00             ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00             ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-09-30  0:00               ` Daniel Barker
1998-09-30  0:00                 ` Lawrence Kirby
1998-10-01  0:00                   ` Aaron Crane
1998-10-02  0:00                 ` Fortran or Ada or gobbledygook? Wes Groleau
1998-10-05  0:00                 ` Fortran or Ada? Terry Devine
     [not found]           ` <6udre0$ha1$1@nnrp1.dejane <6utg60$h6l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
1998-10-01  0:00             ` robin_v
1998-09-22  0:00     ` Rakesh Malhotra
1998-09-23  0:00     ` Frank Ecke
1998-09-23  0:00   ` bglbv
1998-09-23  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-24  0:00       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-23  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1998-09-23  0:00 ` Gisle S{lensminde
1998-09-24  0:00   ` John McCabe
1998-09-24  0:00     ` Gisle S{lensminde
1998-09-24  0:00     ` Dean F. Sutherland
1998-09-24  0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1998-09-23  0:00 Marin David Condic, 561.796.8997, M/S 731-96
1998-09-24  0:00 Walt Brainerd
1998-09-25  0:00 ` dewarr
1998-09-25  0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-05  0:00 Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-05  0:00 robin
1998-10-05  0:00 Condic, Marin D.
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