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From: Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: If not Ada, what else...
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:16:53 -0400
Date: 2015-07-20T21:16:53-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6u6rqa59a9u5ng10nt60ok0g5t79d7pked@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87egk2ybvq.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net

On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:31:05 -0700, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
declaimed the following:

>Tero Koskinen <tero.koskinen@iki.fi> writes:
>> However, there are multiple Ada 2005 compilers.
>> Irvine ICCAda supports Ada 2005, ApexAda and ObjectAda from PTC(Atego)
>> support Ada 2005, Janus/Ada supports one or two Ada 2005 features.
>> Also, I think RRSoftware (Janus/Ada) got some of their features to Ada
>> 2005&2012. ...
>
>Thanks.  I now wonder if Ada 2012 has gotten much uptake from the
>traditional big users.  I would have thought so since it's a real
>improvement over older versions, but I understand how critical-systems
>users might be more technologically conservative than internet startups
>for example.  Maybe they're all still using Ada 2005 or Ada 95 and plan
>to stay with it.

	Heck... At work we are running an OpenVMS/VAX (not Alpha) emulation on
Windows boxes in order to run a cross-platform Ada-83 compiler (no longer
in production, to my knowledge) to build the boot software for some
aircraft flight systems.

	Do not expect that to be upgraded anytime soon -- bad enough it takes
months for a sub-contractor to independently certify the boot software
doesn't contain superfluous code, or unpredictable timings... Having to get
a new build chain (OS, compiler, etc.) certified is not in the $$$.

	Heck -- we've had a study running just to certify a different toolchain
where the only difference is WinXP vs Win7 -- when the toolchain doesn't
even produce binaries for Intel architectures! IE: are the resultant
binaries completely identical when the same source is built on each OS --
if there is ANY difference, it must be evaluated to be proven to have no
effect.

-- 
	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
    wlfraed@ix.netcom.com    HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-21  1:16 UTC|newest]

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2011-04-20 10:39 If not Ada, what else Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-20 10:51 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-04-21  8:47   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-20 11:53 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-04-21  8:46   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-23  2:08     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-21 17:19 ` Robert Matthews
2011-04-21 19:02   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-21 19:25   ` Florian Weimer
2011-04-22 15:50     ` Robert Matthews
2011-04-22 17:49       ` Brad Cantrell
2011-04-23  2:20         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-23  9:55           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-23 11:17             ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-22 21:39       ` Florian Weimer
2011-04-23  2:26         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-23  9:52 ` björn lundin
2011-04-23 11:50 ` Piotr Trojanek
2011-04-23 12:23   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-23 14:30     ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-23 15:04       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-23 16:16     ` Piotr Trojanek
2011-04-28 12:55   ` C++/cmake project, injecting Ada... (was Re: If not Ada, what else...) Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-28 16:34     ` C++/cmake project, injecting Ada Ludovic Brenta
2011-04-29  8:17       ` Alex R. Mosteo
2011-04-29 12:45         ` stefan-lucks
2015-07-02 10:44         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2011-05-28 17:33     ` C++/cmake project, injecting Ada... (was Re: If not Ada, what else...) Dirk Heinrichs
2015-07-03 19:21 ` If not Ada, what else luvhed
2015-07-03 20:50   ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-04  8:19 ` Rod Kay
2015-07-08 18:11 ` jm.tarrasa
2015-07-08 20:33   ` Anh Vo
2015-07-09  6:36     ` jm.tarrasa
2015-07-08 22:15   ` David Botton
2015-07-09  7:28     ` jm.tarrasa
2015-07-09  9:54       ` G.B.
2015-07-09 12:57       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-07-09 18:25       ` David Botton
2015-07-09 21:15         ` Bob Duff
2015-07-09 22:23           ` David Botton
2015-07-09 22:39             ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-10  0:20               ` David Botton
2015-07-10  4:26                 ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-10 15:01                   ` David Botton
2015-07-10 16:07                     ` David Botton
2015-07-10 17:39                       ` Bob Duff
2015-07-10 18:22                     ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-10 19:10                       ` David Botton
2015-07-10 19:43                         ` Patrick Noffke
2015-07-11 10:46                           ` Brian Drummond
2015-07-11 10:59                             ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-11 13:41                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-11 14:11                                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-13 14:02                             ` Patrick Noffke
2015-07-13 14:16                               ` David Botton
2015-07-13 14:54                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2015-07-16 20:19                                 ` Serge Robyns
2015-07-17  1:50                                   ` David Botton
2015-07-17 17:07                                     ` Anh Vo
2015-07-17 21:28                                       ` Serge Robyns
2015-07-17 22:53                                         ` Anh Vo
2015-07-19 14:31                                       ` David Botton
2015-07-19 16:20                                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-19 20:55                                           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-19 21:15                                             ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-20 16:08                                               ` Tero Koskinen
2015-07-20 17:31                                                 ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-21  1:16                                                   ` Dennis Lee Bieber [this message]
2015-07-21  3:09                                                     ` Shark8
2015-07-21 12:46                                                       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-07-21  5:43                                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-21 12:47                                                     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-07-21 12:55                                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-19 22:38                                           ` David Botton
2015-07-21  6:30                                     ` Gour
2015-07-21 16:24                                       ` David Botton
2015-07-21 17:29                                         ` Niklas Holsti
2015-07-21 18:51                                           ` Simon Wright
2015-07-21 19:36                                             ` David Botton
2015-07-22  8:44                                               ` Pascal Obry
2015-07-22 12:00                                               ` Jean François Martinez
2015-07-27 22:59                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-28  7:00                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-28  7:22                                                     ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-28 10:36                                                       ` darkestkhan
2015-07-28 10:58                                                       ` G.B.
2015-07-28 20:33                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-28 10:40                                                   ` darkestkhan
2015-07-29  7:30                                                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-07-29  8:55                                                       ` Simon Wright
2015-07-29 12:38                                                   ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 13:06                                                     ` EGarrulo
2015-07-29 15:41                                                     ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-29 17:01                                                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-29 18:27                                                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-29 18:52                                                           ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-29 22:18                                                             ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30  6:23                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30 16:48                                                                 ` David Botton
2015-07-30 18:10                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-29 19:18                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-29 19:42                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-30  4:54                                                               ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30  6:15                                                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2015-07-30  6:34                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30  6:47                                                                   ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30  7:20                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-30 23:13                                                                       ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-29 17:07                                                       ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-07-29 17:47                                                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-08-21 23:03                                                           ` Waldek Hebisch
2015-08-22  3:24                                                             ` Paul Rubin
2015-08-23 16:26                                                               ` Waldek Hebisch
2015-08-23 17:18                                                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-23 17:31                                                                   ` Waldek Hebisch
2015-08-23 19:32                                                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-08-23 23:01                                                               ` Waldek Hebisch
2015-07-29 19:32                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-30  5:17                                                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30  7:38                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-30 18:26                                                             ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-30 18:37                                                               ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-31  7:14                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-30 10:59                                                     ` darkestkhan
2015-08-19 22:19                                                 ` rriehle
2015-08-19 22:58                                                   ` Anh Vo
2015-08-19 23:32                                                     ` rriehle
2015-08-20  1:08                                                       ` Peter Chapin
2015-08-21 15:14                                                       ` Anh Vo
2015-08-21 16:07                                                         ` Anh Vo
2015-08-21 17:17                                                           ` Patrick Noffke
2015-07-21 19:51                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21 21:06                                               ` Simon Wright
2015-07-21 21:51                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21 22:55                                                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-22  7:26                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22  9:05                                                       ` Mart van de Wege
2015-07-22 10:27                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-22  7:01                                                   ` Simon Wright
2015-07-22  7:35                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-27 23:02                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-27 22:44                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-28  7:30                                                   ` Simon Wright
2015-07-28 20:39                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-29  7:12                                                       ` Simon Wright
2015-07-29 11:11                                                         ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-07-29 19:31                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-22 12:53                                               ` Vincent
2015-07-22 13:59                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21 20:05                                             ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-21 21:02                                               ` Simon Wright
2015-07-21 23:40                                               ` Shark8
2015-07-22 12:58                                               ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-07-22 13:40                                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-22 14:29                                                   ` Vincent
2015-07-21 19:30                                           ` David Botton
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2015-08-21  5:21                                       ` Shark8
2015-08-21 17:39                                       ` David Botton
2015-07-11  2:31                         ` Paul Rubin
2015-07-11  6:00                           ` J-P. Rosen
2015-07-11  7:51                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-07-11  8:47                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-21  1:34                           ` Luke A. Guest
2015-07-27  9:09                       ` Assertions in SPARK (Was: If not Ada, what else...) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-07-27 10:56                         ` G.B.
2015-07-27 21:59                           ` Peter Chapin
2015-07-11 11:10                   ` If not Ada, what else Pascal Obry
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