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From: dewarr@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: Software landmines (loops)
Date: 1998/09/13
Date: 1998-09-13T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6tglqu$7ab$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 35FB19F8.D3AAEC2D@earthlink.net

In article <35FB19F8.D3AAEC2D@earthlink.net>,
  Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@earthlink.net> wrote:
> dewarr@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> Some style choices ARE important, but in most agreement is more
> important than which style, and in some agreement is the only matter of
> importance (and in some, even that isn't important).
> I haven't seen anybody defending spaghetti code recently.  This is a
> (practically universal) style (different things were being optimised),
> but agreement wasn't sufficient to maintain it.  Whether or not the
> names of constants were written in all-caps is a style (actually, it's
> one that I, personally, don't like).  It is the majority style in some
> camps of the computer community (C descendant languages, particularly).
> I don't think that it's important as long as that form is not used by
> anything else.  Any good text editor do a set of global transforms on
> the code to match the style of the person who is using it, with NO
> IMPACT on anything else (actually, if the header files are shared with
> people using differing coding styles, then one set of the constant's
> names would need to be defined in terms of the other set of the
> constant's names (e.g. #define stdIn STDIN ), but this would only be
> needed in languages where the case of the variable name is a semantic
> marker, so Ada, for example, wouldn't need a comparable statement
> change).
>

It is incorrect in my view to think that automatic
reformatters can solve the problem.

First, there are many style rules that are very difficult
to automate, especially if they all have an implied "but
this does not apply in special cases, and you need human
intelligence to determine those cases".

Second, if people continue to use their own styles, you
still have the phenomenon of balkanization of the coding
effort, and people prefer to use their own style. Even if
you have a totally invertible transformer, which is in fact
difficult to do, for example, the all CAPS style is not
automatically convertible to mixed case:

It is easy to go from UNIX_Package_Interface
to UNIX_PACKAGE_INTERFACE.

But it is harder work to go in the opposite direction, you
need dictionaries etc.

even if you have a totally invertible transformer, people do
not feel happy working that way. They tend to maintain
private copies of their own code in their own style, and
grudgingly convert them to the offical style, feeling that
they are destroying them

Third, automatic transformers are definitely not good at
dealing with conventions for the layout of comments, since
these particularly, being natural language dependent have
lots of exceptions.

Fourth, since so many style rules do have exceptions, unless
everyone understands and internalizes the style rules, they
do not gather the understanding that is necessary to know
when exceptions apply.

All in all, between the two models:

 1. Everyone in the team uses the same style, and that is
    what everyone becomes familiar with (it is amazing when
    you switch styles, how easy it is to get used to a new
    style -- when I started on the GNAT project, I preferred
    the Ada 83 style of ALL_UPPER_CASE with underscores,
    primarily because of the nice automatic separation of
    identifier names in comments, but the clear majority of
    programmers on the GNAT project was opposed to this style
    and now I cannot imagine ever liking it, compared to
    All_Upper_Case (postscript, I can't imagine every getting
    to like AllUpperCase, but I expect I would get used to
    it if I had to).

2.  Everyone uses their own style, and automatic tools are
    used to get some semblance of consistency in the official
    checked in sources.

I think 1 is FAR preferable. Not only does 2 result in real
technical problems, e.g. preparing a quick patch to solve a
particular bug, but it results in a far less effective level
of social cooperation and team cohesion, important factors
for the production of quality software.

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1998-08-06  0:00 Why C++ is successful Robert Dewar
1998-08-07  0:00 ` Jason Stokes
1998-08-08  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-10  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-11  0:00     ` n
1998-08-12  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful? Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-12  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1998-08-13  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00             ` Bob Munck
1998-08-16  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00             ` nasser
1998-08-16  0:00               ` Chris Morgan
1998-08-17  0:00               ` asilvant
1998-08-17  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-13  0:00         ` Bob Munck
1998-08-14  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful Robert Dewar
     [not found]         ` <35D455AC.9225EAA7@hercii.mar.lmco.com>
1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert L. Spooner
1998-08-10  0:00   ` Darren New
1998-08-07  0:00 ` harald.mueller
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1998-08-07  0:00     ` Timothy Welch
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Phlip
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Larry Elmore
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-08  0:00           ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-10  0:00           ` Laurent GUERBY
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Andy Ward
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Matt Kennel
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-13  0:00                 ` nasser
1998-08-19  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-14  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Rick Smith
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                           ` Rick Smith
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Mr Ada
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-15  0:00                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) dennison
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` dennison
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` Tucker Taft
1998-08-19  0:00                           ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                       ` ell
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                           ` Dan Higdon
1998-08-20  0:00                             ` adam
1998-08-20  0:00                               ` Software landmines (loops) Nick Leaton
1998-08-30  0:00                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-30  0:00                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-30  0:00                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` dewarr
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Phlip
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Steven Perryman
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Stephen Leake
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Agent
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-01  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` dennison
     [not found]                                                 ` <6sfqul$ggg$1@hirame. <6sidsq$e6c$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` John G. Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Richard MacDonald (dogmat)
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` dennison
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` mfinney
     [not found]                                                     ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982244140001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Ell
     [not found]                                                 ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982225160001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-15  0:00                                                   ` mfinney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-01  0:00                                             ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-02  0:00                                               ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` John I. Moore, Jr.
1998-10-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` John Goodsen
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Richard D Riehle
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` John I. Moore, Jr.
1998-10-05  0:00                                                       ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-06  0:00                                                       ` Matt Kennel
1998-10-06  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                     ` dewarr
1998-10-04  0:00                                                       ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-10-09  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-04  0:00                                                     ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-05  0:00                                                       ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-06  0:00                                                         ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-11  0:00                                                           ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-05  0:00                                                 ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-08  0:00                                                   ` s350817
1998-10-09  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-02  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Charles Hixson
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@news.erols.c <m3af4mq7f4.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Simon Wright
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` adam
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` dennison
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Which wastes more time? (Was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Robert Huffman
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-07  0:00                                                               ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-09  0:00                                                             ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` Paolo F. Cantoni
     [not found]                                                       ` <35f48276.90997557@news.erols.com <35F42CAC.6F566DC7@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-08  0:00                                                             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                       ` <35f48276.90997557@news.erols.com <35F79B59.185AA03E@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-11  0:00                                                         ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-12  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-12  0:00                                                             ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Software landmines (loops) dewarr
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Andrew Hussey
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Stephen Leake
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Richard Jones
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` sureshvv
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` sureshvv
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` adam
1998-09-06  0:00                                                         ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                     ` Rick Smith
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-08  0:00                                                       ` adam
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Rick Smith
     [not found]                                                       ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0809981818260001@dialup75.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Rick Smith
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Mark A Biggar
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Chris Brand
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Gerhard Menzl
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Tres Seaver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Tim McDermott
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Larry Brasfield
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` dewar
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Don Harrison
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` James Weirich
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Mike Spille
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` John Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Chris Saunders
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Darren New
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` John Volan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Joe Gamache
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-05  0:00                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Optimizations (was: Software landmines (loops)) dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Dr Richard A. O'Keefe
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Al Christians
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Al Christians
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Tucker Taft
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Tom Moran
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Expressive Case Statements (long source) Tom Moran
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Really a U.S. thing? (Was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Brian Rogoff
1998-09-04  0:00                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Jean-Marc Jezequel
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                   ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dewarr
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <904556531.666222@miso.it.uq.edu.au>
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Mike Spille
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982212300001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]                                                   ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0809981840170001@dialup75.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-09  0:00                                                     ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]                                                       ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609980026290001@dialup26.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-16  0:00                                                         ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                     ` Andre Tibben
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                                 ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                         ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                           ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                             ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                       ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` [WAYRTW?] (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Zane Lewkowicz
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                               ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` L. Darrell Ray
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                               ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` sureshvv
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                     ` Mike Spille
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Moderators for life (was: Re: Software landmines) Martijn Meijering
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Moderators for life Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Ray Blaak
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Gerry Quinn
     [not found]                                                               ` <EyyLos.2nx@yc.estec.esa.nl>
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` John G. Volan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                   ` duncan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
     [not found]                                                     ` <6skqf3$ <35F0B5B0.8E2D0166@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-06  0:00                                                       ` Will Rose
1998-09-06  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` mfinney
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` john-clonts
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` mfinney
1998-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                   ` mfinney
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Robert Oliver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` john-clonts
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Darren New
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Oliver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                               ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-05  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-07  0:00                                                   ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` dewarr
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-07  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-09  0:00                                                           ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` dewarr
1998-09-09  0:00                                                         ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-11  0:00                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-09  0:00                                                         ` Adrian P. Morgan
1998-09-09  0:00                                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-10  0:00                                                             ` mfinney
     [not found]                                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609981736190001@dialup47.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` mfinney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                               ` <m31zpq4pim.fsf@mheaney.ni.ne <m3af36wtwh.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-10-11  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Richard MacDonald
1998-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Dan Higdon
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Mid-Loop 'Until' Proposal [was: Software landmines (loops)] John G. Volan
     [not found]                                                       ` <Q7UH1.3152$re2.302134@news.giganews.com>
     [not found]                                                         ` <35F2E055.6922B7EC@earthlink.net>
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` John G. Volan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Software landmines (loops) dennison
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Elliot's paranoia (was something relevent once, but no longer) Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Software landmines (loops) Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                             ` <35F074C9.E10C <35F2E907.594CD023@earthlink.net>
1998-09-07  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-10  0:00                                                             ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-10  0:00                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` prochak
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                   ` dewarr
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-13  0:00                                                                       ` dewarr [this message]
1998-09-14  0:00                                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Christopher P. Gariepy
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Emtpy procedures (was Re: Module size (was Re: Software landmines)) Jim Cochrane
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                     ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                                 ` Ken Carpenter
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                                 ` James Weirich
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                         ` Types vs classes (was Re: Module size (was Re: Software landmines)) Pat Rogers
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                             ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                               ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) John G. Volan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Chris Kuan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Chris Kuan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Joe Gwinn
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                     ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                               ` adam
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                 ` Gerry Quinn
     [not found]                                                                   ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609980034390001@dialup26.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                     ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                       ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Rick Smith
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` Markus Kuhn
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` dewarr
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                                 ` Markus Kuhn
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                               ` Jay Martin
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                                 ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-10  0:00                                                                                 ` Dave Wood
1998-10-13  0:00                                                                                 ` last.first
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                   ` Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                   ` Brian Mueller
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Arun Mangalam
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` DPH
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                         ` Michael Stark
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` midlamD
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` College, C, etc. (Was Re: Is there a language that Dijkstra liked?) Darren New
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` Tom J
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                         ` K. Mathias
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-10-25  0:00                                                                                       ` College, C, etc Frank Sergeant
1998-10-26  0:00                                                                                         ` Darren New
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                           ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                             ` Arun Mangalam
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                             ` Paul A. Howes
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Dave Wood
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                       ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-26  0:00                                                                                     ` Bill Ghrist
1998-10-27  0:00                                                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-27  0:00                                                                                         ` dewarr
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <3 <slrn73ifd1.8ip.jdege@jdege.visi.com>
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                       ` College, C, etc Tom J
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                               ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Pat Rogers
1998-10-11  0:00                                                                               ` Bertrand Meyer
1998-10-12  0:00                                                                                 ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-12  0:00                                                                                 ` Rod Chapman
1998-10-13  0:00                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` dewarr
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                             ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? Peter Hermann
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                               ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                           ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) bengt
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) Gerry Quinn
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                           ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                             ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` Robert C. Martin
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                                 ` Rick Smith
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                                 ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                               ` Ell
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                             ` dewarr
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                       ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` spaghetti code(was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Joe Chacko
     [not found]                                                                   ` <01bddfb7$f3eac320$ca3aea9e@tom>
1998-09-15  0:00                                                                     ` prochak
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) Malcolm Steel
     [not found]                                                       ` <o1fH1.543$495.1 <gwinn-0309982042490001@d8.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Samuel Mize
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                             ` Samuel Mize
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                 ` prochak
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-10  0:00                                                               ` Tim Ottinger
     [not found]                                                                 ` <01bddccc$98b2dda0$ca3aea9e@tom>
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-11  0:00                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-12  0:00                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` alan walkington
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` Linguistic invention (was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-09  0:00                                                       ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: " Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Ell
     [not found]                                                     ` <6sjnlu$83l$1@hirame.wwa.c <35EE5F67.80D@gecm.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Rick Smith
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` adam
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` mfinney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982311220001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-03  0:00                                     ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Fergus Henderson
1998-09-09  0:00                                     ` Software landmines (loops) Jonas M�ls�
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <6t6l4n$rep@jbm.nada.kth.se>
1998-09-10  0:00                                       ` Mats Weber
1998-09-17  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                 ` <m3ogt3qgca.fsf@mheaney.ni.n <1dghyt5.oik1lzhxzf2N@n207167116176.inetworld.net>
1998-10-10  0:00                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-10-12  0:00                                     ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-13  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-14  0:00                                       ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-15  0:00                                         ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-15  0:00                                           ` dewarr
1998-10-15  0:00                                       ` Indicators of program quality? (was Re: Software landmines) Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-20  0:00                               ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Dan Higdon
     [not found]                               ` <m33eagru5g.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                 ` Frank Adrian
1998-08-31  0:00                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` Biju Thomas
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Martin Dowie
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                         ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                   ` dewarr
1998-09-06  0:00                                 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1998-08-20  0:00                           ` Ell
1998-08-20  0:00                             ` Structured programming (Re: Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful)) Darren New
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-21  0:00                             ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` John Goodsen
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                                   ` Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` Larry Brasfield
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-20  0:00                                   ` Phlip
1998-08-21  0:00                                   ` Larry Brasfield
     [not found]                                   ` <DOSXjHE9T6DM9Jw9nAyaPxfz@news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com>
1998-08-22  0:00                                     ` dewar
1998-08-24  0:00                                       ` dennison
1998-08-28  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-28  0:00                                           ` dennison
1998-08-30  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                               ` John G. Volan
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-24  0:00                                       ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-24  0:00                                         ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-24  0:00                                           ` Mark A Biggar
1998-08-25  0:00                                             ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-25  0:00                                               ` Mark A Biggar
1998-08-26  0:00                                                 ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-25  0:00                                         ` adam
1998-09-22  0:00                                       ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Bob Collins
     [not found]                           ` <l5HC1.6840$wN.18 <35F238F7.F57D3EC7@earthlink.net>
1998-09-06  0:00                             ` Software landmines (loops) Patrick Doyle
1998-10-21  0:00                           ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Van Snyder
1998-10-22  0:00                             ` biocyn
1998-10-26  0:00                               ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-26  0:00                                 ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-26  0:00                                   ` dennison
1998-10-26  0:00                                     ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-26  0:00                                       ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-27  0:00                                       ` dennison
1998-10-27  0:00                                     ` bill
1998-10-27  0:00                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-28  0:00                                       ` norm
1998-10-27  0:00                                 ` dewarr
1998-10-27  0:00                                   ` Ehud Lamm
1998-11-04  0:00                                   ` business for students Domenico Bisignano
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Charles Hixson
1998-08-20  0:00                         ` Gerry Quinn
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Why C++ is successful Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-18  0:00                     ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Ell
1998-08-17  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` Samuel Tardieu
1998-08-25  0:00                       ` Optimizing recursion (was Re: Why C++ is successful) Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-25  0:00                         ` Darren New
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Aaro Koskinen
1998-08-27  0:00                       ` Constants vs Functions (was Re: Optimizing recursion...) Ray Blaak
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1998-08-27  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-11  0:00           ` Why C++ is successful stilcom
1998-08-11  0:00             ` Microsoft Authors [was Re: Why C++ is successful] john-clonts
1998-08-11  0:00               ` dennison
1998-08-11  0:00                 ` John Weiss
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Why C++ is successful Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Andrew Koenig
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Code Complete (Was: Re: Why C++ is successful) Chris Kuan
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Why C++ is successful Stefan Tilkov
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1998-08-31  0:00             ` Software landmines (loops) Jim Cochrane
1998-09-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-03  0:00                     ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
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1998-09-01  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
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1998-09-02  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
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1998-09-02  0:00             ` Jim Cochrane
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1998-09-02  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00               ` mfinney
1998-09-03  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Patrick Logan
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1998-09-02  0:00             ` David E. Wallace
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <904556531. <m3lno372be.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EDC648.76F03F32@draper.com>
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-04  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-04  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                   ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-17  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-17  0:00                       ` Reimer Behrends
1998-09-18  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-18  0:00                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Martin Tom Brown
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1998-09-07  0:00             ` Michael F Brenner
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35F09429.1A7CD250@easystreet.com>
1998-09-07  0:00             ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Michael F Brenner
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1998-09-08  0:00             ` Software landmines (loops) duncan
1998-09-16  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-17  0:00                 ` Reimer Behrends
1998-09-17  0:00                   ` Ell
1998-09-08  0:00             ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-09  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-10  0:00                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-17  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-09  0:00               ` duncan
1998-09-11  0:00                 ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-11  0:00                   ` duncan
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1998-09-08  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful Dale Stanbrough
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1998-09-07  0:00 Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00 ` Mike Spille
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