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From: "Robert Martin" <rmartin@oma.com>
Subject: Re: Software landmines (loops)
Date: 1998/09/05
Date: 1998-09-05T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6ssa6p$brt$1@hirame.wwa.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m3emtq4vhd.fsf@mheaney.ni.net


Matthew Heaney wrote in message ...
>
>The best answer to the question "What is structured programming?" was
>provided by David Gries, in Chap 6, On Structured Programming, of his
>book Programming Methodology (Springer-Verlag, 1978).
>
>The chapter begins with the statement:
>
>"The term structured programming has been used with many different
>meanings since Edsger W. Dijkstra first coined the term.  Actually, the
>term appeared in the title of his monograph Notes On Structured
>Programming [that's the "little black book" - matt], but as far as I can
>determine not in the monograph itself!"
>
>So Dijkstra never precisely defined the term "structured programming."

If one looks at the little black book, one sees on its cover the words
"Structured Programming" writtin in Gold.  When one opens the book, one sees
that the first section was written by Dijkstra and is entitled "Notes on
Structured Programmin".    In part 7 of this first section we find the flow
charts which describe the four cannonical control flows; the term "single
entry at the top and a single exit at the bottom", and a discussion of the
benefits of constructing programs from these four single-entry/single-exit
forms.

In light of this it seems that Gries was incorrect when he asserted that
Dijkstra never precisely defined "structured programming".  It is probably
true that the book nowhere says: "Structured Programming is..."; but I think
that requiring such a statement is unecessary.  The contents of the book
*is* the definition of Structured Programming.
>
>Next sentence in Gries:
>
>"The lack of a precise definition has allowed, even encouraged, people
>to use it as they wished, to attribute to sp ["sp" is how Gries
>abbreviates "structured programming" - matt] what they themselves
>learned from reading Notes On Structures Programming, however different
>this might have been from Dijkstra's intent."

I don't believe it was a lack of precision that caused this.  I think it was
a lack of study.  There are plenty of folks, even now, who will simply
assume that they know what a technique is without taking the time to study
it.  This has happened with structured programming, and it has happeded with
object oriented programming.
>
>Now we're getting warm.  Ed Yourdon other authors have stated that
>structured programming means single entry/single exit modules, but did
>Dijkstra say this specifically?  The answer would appear to be no.

I quite disagree.  Dijkstra very clearly recommended that programs be
constructed from his four single-entry/single-exit control structures in his
"notes on structured programming".

>(I myself have the little black book around, and I'm going to make it a
>point to re-read it.  Sadly, this classic text is long out of print, but
>I was able to find one in a used bookstore.)

I lost my first copy about ten years ago; but I was able to find another
without too much trouble.  They are around.
>

>
>10. A major function of the structuring of the program is to keep a
>correctness proof feasible [this one comes from Dijkstra, in Notes On
>Structured Programming]

>Take a close look at item 10, from Dijkstra himself.  Dijkstra stated in
>his original ACM letter is that there is a "conceptual gap between the
>static program and the dynamic process."  His complaint was that an
>_unstructured_ program made it hard to reason about the program's
>behavior.

This is also a major theme running through his section of the book.

>What some advocates of the se/se policy seem to be forgetting is that
>the whole point is being able to mentally reason about behavior.  By
>reading the program text, can you figure out what this program does?

Yes, this was the point.  But the *mechanism* named "structured programming"
was Dijkstra's way of addressing that point.  There may be lots and lots of
different ways to address the point, but the only one that can be called
"structured programming" is the one that uses Dijkstra's four cannonical
control flows.

>I provided a couple of simple examples, one of them an idiom for using a
>special input value to terminate a loop:
>
>loop
>   Get (N);
>   exit when N = 0;
>   <process N>
>end loop;
>
>Is there anyone who doesn't understand what this code fragment does?
>
>Structured programming means keeping the code simple, where "simple"
>means "being able to easily tell what it does."  It means being able to
>prove that it's correct.  See item 7.

That list was pretty funny.  I especially like item 1. "A return to common
sense".  Or item 8 "controlling complexity through theory and discipline."
Most of those definitions are either wrong or meaningless.  Item 7. is no
different.  It certainly describes an attribute of structured programming
"easy to read and understand" but does not tell you *how* you made the code
easy to read and understand.

By the definition in Item 7. If my code is easy to read and understand, it
must be structured.  I believe that statisticians call that a "type one
error".  i.e. given that A implies B, it is a type one error to assume that
B implies A.  If we accept as a given that structured programs are easy to
read and understand, we cannot therefore assume that all programs that are
easy to read and understand are structured programs.
>
>In spite of the fact that this loop exits from the middle, I would argue
>that it does indeed fit the defination of a "structured" program.

Whether it fits Dijkstra's definition is a matter of debate.  It can be
rewritten as:

while (Get(N), N != 0)
  Process(N);

Which certainly appears close to a top-exit loop.  But this begs a question
that I don't think Dijkstra really every answered.  Must the condition in a
loop be nothing but a pure condition?  Or can it be a series of process
steps that result in a testable condition?  I prefer the latter.

I think that, as long as we treat the code that prepares the looping
condition (i.e. Get(N)) as atomic with the loop condition itself, then we
really have a top-exit loop.

Thus, after giving this some thought, I would agree with you that the code
you wrote above fits the definition of  "structured programming".  On the
other hand I disagree with your reasoning.  It is not structured because it
is easy to read.  It is structured because it is a form of top-exit loop.

Does this mean that all mid-exit loops are suddenly conformant to structured
programming?  I don't think so.  I think that when the code leading up to
the looping condition cannot be considered atomic,  (i.e. it contains
statements that do not impact the looping condition, or will change in ways
that are independent of the looping condition) then the resultant code is
not conformant to Dijkstra's rules.

For example:

for(;;)
{
  Get(N);
  if (N == 0) break;
  Process(N);
}

The above is structured because the first two statements of the loop body
are part of the loop condition. However:

for (;;)
{
  char* buf = malloc(80);
  int n = Get(buf,80);
  if (n == 0)
  {
    free(buf);
    break;
  }
  Process(buf, n);
  free(buf);
}

[Please, no complaints about the way the heap memory is being managed..
Presume that there is some good reason why its being managed that way.]

This is not a structured program because the code preceeding the loop
condition is not atomic.  It is not directly part of the loop condition, and
has side-effect that must be dealt with later.

On the other hand:

for (;;)
{
  char* buf = malloc(80);
  int n = Get(buf, 80);
  if (n != 0)
  {
    Process(buf, n);
  }
  free(buf);
  if (n == 0) break;
}

This is a structured program because it conforms to a bottom-exit looping
structure.

>
>We've been debating whether a program that terminates a loop from the
>middle, or does an early return, is really a "structured" program, but I
>think this misses the point.

It may miss some point somewhere, but it does not miss the point when the
point is the definition of structured programming.

There is another type one error we can make.  If we assume that structured
programming is "good", we cannot therefore assume that "good" implies
structured programming.  There may be many different kinds of good programs,
some of them having mid loop exits.  Such programs are not structured
programs, but that doesn't mean that they are not good programs.
>
>We should instead be asking, Can I mentally reason about this program's
>behavior?  Am I able to write a correctness proof for this program?  Am
>I confident that this program works?
>
>That's the real meaning of "structured."

I'll agree that that was Dijkstra's motivation.  But if we go no further
than the above statement then *every* program is structured, at least in the
author's eyes.  *Every* program can be reasoned about.  Every program can be
proven correct (given enough time), every program can be worked into a shape
that inspires confidence in its correctness.

Dijkstra's contribution was more than the above simple statement.
Dijkstra's contribution was a *technique* for helping to create programs
that are easy to reason about, easier to prove correct, easier to be
confident in.

>Two more lines I'd like to quote from Gries:
>
>"I would add to this that one should always strive for simplicity and
>elegance.  The simplest solution is always the easiest to understand."


This is often true but, unfortunately, simplicity is often subjective.

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1998-08-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1998-08-07  0:00     ` Timothy Welch
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-08  0:00           ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-10  0:00           ` Laurent GUERBY
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Andy Ward
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Matt Kennel
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-13  0:00                 ` nasser
1998-08-19  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Ell
1998-08-17  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` Samuel Tardieu
1998-08-25  0:00                       ` Optimizing recursion (was Re: Why C++ is successful) Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-25  0:00                         ` Darren New
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Aaro Koskinen
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-27  0:00                       ` Constants vs Functions (was Re: Optimizing recursion...) Ray Blaak
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1998-08-27  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Why C++ is successful Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-14  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Rick Smith
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                           ` Rick Smith
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-15  0:00                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Mr Ada
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-18  0:00                     ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) dennison
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` dennison
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` Tucker Taft
1998-08-19  0:00                           ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                       ` ell
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                           ` Dan Higdon
1998-08-20  0:00                             ` adam
1998-08-20  0:00                               ` Dan Higdon
1998-08-20  0:00                               ` Software landmines (loops) Nick Leaton
1998-08-30  0:00                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-30  0:00                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-30  0:00                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Andrew Hussey
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` sureshvv
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` sureshvv
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` adam
1998-09-06  0:00                                                         ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-04  0:00                                                     ` Rick Smith
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                                       ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0809981818260001@dialup75.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Rick Smith
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Mark A Biggar
1998-09-08  0:00                                                       ` adam
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Rick Smith
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Gerhard Menzl
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Tres Seaver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Chris Brand
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Jim Cochrane
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Tim McDermott
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Larry Brasfield
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` dewar
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Don Harrison
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Really a U.S. thing? (Was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Brian Rogoff
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Optimizations (was: " dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Dr Richard A. O'Keefe
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Al Christians
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Al Christians
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Tucker Taft
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Tom Moran
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Expressive Case Statements (long source) Tom Moran
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` James Weirich
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Mike Spille
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` John Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` John Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Chris Saunders
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Darren New
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Joe Gamache
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-05  0:00                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                               ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                   ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Stephen Leake
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Richard Jones
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dewarr
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Stephen Leake
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Agent
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-01  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` dennison
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1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` John G. Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` dennison
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Richard MacDonald (dogmat)
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` mfinney
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1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Ell
     [not found]                                                 ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982225160001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-15  0:00                                                   ` mfinney
1998-10-01  0:00                                             ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-02  0:00                                               ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` John I. Moore, Jr.
1998-10-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` John Goodsen
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Richard D Riehle
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` John I. Moore, Jr.
1998-10-05  0:00                                                       ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-06  0:00                                                       ` Matt Kennel
1998-10-06  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                     ` dewarr
1998-10-04  0:00                                                       ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-10-09  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-04  0:00                                                     ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-05  0:00                                                       ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-06  0:00                                                         ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-11  0:00                                                           ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-05  0:00                                                 ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-08  0:00                                                   ` s350817
1998-10-09  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-02  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` dewarr
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Phlip
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Steven Perryman
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` dennison
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dewarr
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Which wastes more time? (Was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Robert Huffman
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-09  0:00                                                             ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-07  0:00                                                               ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                       ` <35f48276.90997557@news.erols.com <35F42CAC.6F566DC7@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-08  0:00                                                             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                       ` <35f48276.90997557@news.erols.com <35F79B59.185AA03E@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-11  0:00                                                         ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-12  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-12  0:00                                                             ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Software landmines (loops) Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@news.erols.c <m3af4mq7f4.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Simon Wright
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` adam
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <904556531.666222@miso.it.uq.edu.au>
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                                 ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                         ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                           ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                             ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Martin [this message]
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                       ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` [WAYRTW?] (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Zane Lewkowicz
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                               ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` L. Darrell Ray
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Software landmines (loops) Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                               ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` sureshvv
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                     ` Mike Spille
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Moderators for life (was: Re: Software landmines) Martijn Meijering
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Moderators for life Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Gerry Quinn
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Ray Blaak
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Logan
     [not found]                                                               ` <EyyLos.2nx@yc.estec.esa.nl>
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` John G. Volan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                   ` duncan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
     [not found]                                                     ` <6skqf3$ <35F0B5B0.8E2D0166@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-06  0:00                                                       ` Will Rose
1998-09-06  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                     ` Andre Tibben
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Mike Spille
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982212300001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]                                                   ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0809981840170001@dialup75.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-09  0:00                                                     ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]                                                       ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609980026290001@dialup26.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-16  0:00                                                         ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` mfinney
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` john-clonts
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` mfinney
1998-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                   ` mfinney
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Joe Gwinn
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                     ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                               ` adam
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                 ` Gerry Quinn
     [not found]                                                                   ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609980034390001@dialup26.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                     ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                       ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Rick Smith
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` Markus Kuhn
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` dewarr
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                                 ` Markus Kuhn
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                               ` Jay Martin
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                                 ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-10  0:00                                                                                 ` Dave Wood
1998-10-13  0:00                                                                                 ` last.first
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                   ` Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                   ` Brian Mueller
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Arun Mangalam
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` DPH
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                         ` Michael Stark
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` midlamD
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` College, C, etc. (Was Re: Is there a language that Dijkstra liked?) Darren New
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` Tom J
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                         ` K. Mathias
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-10-25  0:00                                                                                       ` College, C, etc Frank Sergeant
1998-10-26  0:00                                                                                         ` Darren New
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                           ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                             ` Paul A. Howes
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                             ` Arun Mangalam
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Ell
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                       ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-26  0:00                                                                                     ` Bill Ghrist
1998-10-27  0:00                                                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-27  0:00                                                                                         ` dewarr
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <3 <slrn73ifd1.8ip.jdege@jdege.visi.com>
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                       ` College, C, etc Tom J
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                               ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Pat Rogers
1998-10-11  0:00                                                                               ` Bertrand Meyer
1998-10-12  0:00                                                                                 ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-12  0:00                                                                                 ` Rod Chapman
1998-10-13  0:00                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` dewarr
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                             ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? Peter Hermann
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                               ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                           ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) bengt
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                       ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                           ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                             ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` Robert C. Martin
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                                 ` Rick Smith
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                                 ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                               ` Ell
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                             ` dewarr
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` spaghetti code(was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Joe Chacko
     [not found]                                                                   ` <01bddfb7$f3eac320$ca3aea9e@tom>
1998-09-15  0:00                                                                     ` prochak
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) Malcolm Steel
     [not found]                                                       ` <o1fH1.543$495.1 <gwinn-0309982042490001@d8.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Samuel Mize
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                             ` Samuel Mize
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                 ` prochak
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-10  0:00                                                               ` Tim Ottinger
     [not found]                                                                 ` <01bddccc$98b2dda0$ca3aea9e@tom>
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-11  0:00                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-12  0:00                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` alan walkington
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` Linguistic invention (was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-09  0:00                                                       ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: " Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Ell
     [not found]                                                     ` <6sjnlu$83l$1@hirame.wwa.c <35EE5F67.80D@gecm.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Rick Smith
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Richard MacDonald
1998-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` dennison
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Dan Higdon
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Mid-Loop 'Until' Proposal [was: Software landmines (loops)] John G. Volan
     [not found]                                                       ` <Q7UH1.3152$re2.302134@news.giganews.com>
     [not found]                                                         ` <35F2E055.6922B7EC@earthlink.net>
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` John G. Volan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Software landmines (loops) Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Christopher P. Gariepy
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` John G. Volan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Emtpy procedures (was Re: Module size (was Re: Software landmines)) Jim Cochrane
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                     ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                         ` Types vs classes (was Re: Module size (was Re: Software landmines)) Pat Rogers
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                             ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                               ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                                 ` James Weirich
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                                 ` Ken Carpenter
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Chris Kuan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Chris Kuan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Elliot's paranoia (was something relevent once, but no longer) Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Software landmines (loops) Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                             ` <35F074C9.E10C <35F2E907.594CD023@earthlink.net>
1998-09-07  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-10  0:00                                                             ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-10  0:00                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` prochak
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                   ` dewarr
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-13  0:00                                                                       ` dewarr
1998-09-14  0:00                                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` mfinney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982311220001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Robert Oliver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Oliver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` john-clonts
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Darren New
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                               ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-05  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-07  0:00                                                   ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` dewarr
1998-09-09  0:00                                                         ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-11  0:00                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-07  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-09  0:00                                                           ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` dewarr
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-09  0:00                                                         ` Adrian P. Morgan
1998-09-09  0:00                                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-10  0:00                                                             ` mfinney
     [not found]                                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609981736190001@dialup47.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` mfinney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                               ` <m31zpq4pim.fsf@mheaney.ni.ne <m3af36wtwh.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-10-11  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-03  0:00                                     ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Fergus Henderson
1998-09-09  0:00                                     ` Software landmines (loops) Jonas M�ls�
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <6t6l4n$rep@jbm.nada.kth.se>
1998-09-10  0:00                                       ` Mats Weber
1998-09-17  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                 ` <m3ogt3qgca.fsf@mheaney.ni.n <1dghyt5.oik1lzhxzf2N@n207167116176.inetworld.net>
1998-10-10  0:00                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-10-12  0:00                                     ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-13  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-14  0:00                                       ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-15  0:00                                         ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-15  0:00                                           ` dewarr
1998-10-15  0:00                                       ` Indicators of program quality? (was Re: Software landmines) Jeffrey C. Dege
     [not found]                               ` <m33eagru5g.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                 ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Frank Adrian
1998-08-31  0:00                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` Biju Thomas
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Martin Dowie
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                         ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                   ` dewarr
1998-09-06  0:00                                 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1998-08-20  0:00                           ` Ell
1998-08-20  0:00                             ` Structured programming (Re: Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful)) Darren New
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-21  0:00                             ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` Larry Brasfield
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-20  0:00                                   ` Phlip
1998-08-21  0:00                                   ` Larry Brasfield
     [not found]                                   ` <DOSXjHE9T6DM9Jw9nAyaPxfz@news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com>
1998-08-22  0:00                                     ` dewar
1998-08-24  0:00                                       ` dennison
1998-08-28  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-28  0:00                                           ` dennison
1998-08-30  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                               ` John G. Volan
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-24  0:00                                       ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-24  0:00                                         ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-24  0:00                                           ` Mark A Biggar
1998-08-25  0:00                                             ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-25  0:00                                               ` Mark A Biggar
1998-08-26  0:00                                                 ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-25  0:00                                         ` adam
1998-09-22  0:00                                       ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Bob Collins
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` John Goodsen
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                                   ` Ell
     [not found]                           ` <l5HC1.6840$wN.18 <35F238F7.F57D3EC7@earthlink.net>
1998-09-06  0:00                             ` Software landmines (loops) Patrick Doyle
1998-10-21  0:00                           ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Van Snyder
1998-10-22  0:00                             ` biocyn
1998-10-26  0:00                               ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-26  0:00                                 ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-26  0:00                                   ` dennison
1998-10-26  0:00                                     ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-26  0:00                                       ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-27  0:00                                       ` dennison
1998-10-27  0:00                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-28  0:00                                       ` norm
1998-10-27  0:00                                     ` bill
1998-10-27  0:00                                 ` dewarr
1998-10-27  0:00                                   ` Ehud Lamm
1998-11-04  0:00                                   ` business for students Domenico Bisignano
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Charles Hixson
1998-08-20  0:00                         ` Gerry Quinn
1998-08-11  0:00           ` Why C++ is successful stilcom
1998-08-11  0:00             ` Microsoft Authors [was Re: Why C++ is successful] john-clonts
1998-08-11  0:00               ` dennison
1998-08-11  0:00                 ` John Weiss
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Why C++ is successful Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Code Complete (Was: Re: Why C++ is successful) Chris Kuan
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Why C++ is successful Andrew Koenig
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Stefan Tilkov
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <m31zpxqutn.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00             ` Software landmines (loops) Jim Cochrane
1998-09-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-03  0:00                     ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EC1590.D50DB8F6@tisny.com>
1998-09-01  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <6shunm$47g$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` David E. Wallace
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <m3zpck79xp.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <6shhg4$llp$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` Jim Cochrane
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <6sjms6$7c4$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00               ` mfinney
1998-09-03  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EDC648.76F03F32@draper.com>
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-04  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-04  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                   ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-17  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-17  0:00                       ` Reimer Behrends
1998-09-18  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-18  0:00                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Martin Tom Brown
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <904556531. <m3lno372be.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EC937F.94420C51@ibm.net>
1998-09-07  0:00             ` Michael F Brenner
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35F09429.1A7CD250@easystreet.com>
1998-09-07  0:00             ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Michael F Brenner
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.480<904556531.666222@ <6t42kg$son$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-08  0:00             ` Software landmines (loops) Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.480 <904556531.66622 <EyyLos.2nx@yc.estec.esa.nl>
1998-09-08  0:00             ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-09  0:00               ` duncan
1998-09-11  0:00                 ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-11  0:00                   ` duncan
1998-09-09  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-10  0:00                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-17  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-08  0:00             ` duncan
1998-09-16  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-17  0:00                 ` Reimer Behrends
1998-09-17  0:00                   ` Ell
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Why C++ is successful Phlip
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Larry Elmore
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-08-07  0:00 ` Jason Stokes
1998-08-08  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-10  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-11  0:00     ` n
1998-08-12  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful? Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-12  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1998-08-13  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00             ` Bob Munck
1998-08-16  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00             ` nasser
1998-08-16  0:00               ` Chris Morgan
1998-08-17  0:00               ` asilvant
1998-08-17  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-13  0:00         ` Bob Munck
1998-08-14  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful Robert Dewar
     [not found]         ` <35D455AC.9225EAA7@hercii.mar.lmco.com>
1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert L. Spooner
1998-08-10  0:00   ` Darren New
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1998-09-07  0:00 Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
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