Re: Ada Editor

Re: Ada Editor

[Robert A Duff]

In article <01bb9f7f$95c50280$721643a4@Underground>,
Whistler <conde@ucla.edu> wrote:
>I recently downloaded GNAT for Win95.  Does anyone have a good editor to
>use with this? ...

I use Emacs, which I got from ftp.cs.washington.edu.

- Bob

Re: Ada Editor

[Dave Retherford]

In article <01bb9f7f$95c50280$721643a4@Underground>,
Whistler <conde@ucla.edu> wrote:
> I recently downloaded GNAT for Win95.  Does anyone have a good editor to
> use with this?  I am just starting out with Ada programing, and I would
> like an editor that is easy to use.  We are using VI editor at school on a
> UNIX system, and it sucks!  We are also using Meridian Open Ada, and that
> is also horrible.  I am using a Pentium 133 with 16MB and Win95.  Can
> someone please help me out?
> Adam Conde
> conde@ucla.edu

You might want to try out EMACS for Win95/NT.  Its available at:

   http://www.cs.washington.edu/home/voelker/ntemacs.html

      or

   ftp - ftp.cs.washington.edu /pub/ntemacs

Version 19.34 is out, but I'm running 19.33 and its pretty good.  Its not
a windows editor.  Emacs is a Unix editor ported to NT.  Use it along with
the Ada mode lisp functions (available from nyu) and it works pretty well
with GNAT.

Dave.

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Ada Editor

[Whistler]

I recently downloaded GNAT for Win95.  Does anyone have a good editor to
use with this?  I am just starting out with Ada programing, and I would
like an editor that is easy to use.  We are using VI editor at school on a
UNIX system, and it sucks!  We are also using Meridian Open Ada, and that
is also horrible.  I am using a Pentium 133 with 16MB and Win95.  Can
someone please help me out?
Adam Conde
conde@ucla.edu

Re: Ada Editor

[Robert Dewar]

Adam asks

"I recently downloaded GNAT for Win95.  Does anyone have a good editor to
use with this?  I am just starting out with Ada programing, and I would
like an editor that is easy to use.  We are using VI editor at school on a
UNIX system, and it sucks!  We are also using Meridian Open Ada, and that
is also horrible.  I am using a Pentium 133 with 16MB and Win95.  Can
someone please help me out?"

Well you are not looking for a "good" editor, you are looking for an
editor that you will like, and the only thing we know about your 
particular tastes are that you don't like VI (many people who use only
VI all the time, think it is a good editor, which should be a reminder
that this phrase is unhelpful flame bait).

You should definitely try using EMACS. The learning curve is steep, but
the capabilities are great. In particular if you are using GNAT, it is
very nicely integrated with GNAT, GNATF and GDB, and the set of tools
makes a powerful combination.

Lots of people like EMACS and think it is good, who knows maybe you will
be one more such person.

Always bear in mind that editors are like programming languages, every
single one has people who hate it and people who love it.

P.S. I know quite a lot of Win95 users still using my old dved editor,
available free all over the place.

Re: Ada Editor

[Jim Dorman]

If you are looking for a good editor for Ada, you will find them bundled
with our PC Ada compilers. We have versions for DOS, Windows, Win95, NT, &
Unix.  Most have MDI, colored source code, interactive error correction,
automatic code generation, block marking & commenting, cut & paste from
included libraries, language specific searches, and are completely menu
driven.  Unlike others that are not "Ada Specific" or are not "targeted to
Ada", these do NOT have a steep learning curve.

Demo disks are available from our WEB Site at: "http://www.pcada.com".

Drop by for a look. Brochures are "online" and questions are quickly
answered.

-- 
Jim Dorman
Active Engineering Technologies, Inc.
Home of PC ADA
Voice:  (619) 414-9001
Fax:     (619) 414-9192
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Member of Team Ada!

Whistler <conde@ucla.edu> wrote in article
<01bb9f7f$95c50280$721643a4@Underground>...
> I recently downloaded GNAT for Win95.  Does anyone have a good editor to
> use with this?  I am just starting out with Ada programing, and I would
> like an editor that is easy to use.  We are using VI editor at school on
a
> UNIX system, and it sucks!  We are also using Meridian Open Ada, and that
> is also horrible.  I am using a Pentium 133 with 16MB and Win95.  Can
> someone please help me out?
> Adam Conde
> conde@ucla.edu
> 

Re: Ada Editor

[Michael Feldman]

In article <dewar.842440642@schonberg>, Robert Dewar <dewar@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:

[regarding editors for GNAT on Win 95]
>
>Always bear in mind that editors are like programming languages, every
>single one has people who hate it and people who love it.
>
>P.S. I know quite a lot of Win95 users still using my old dved editor,
>available free all over the place.
>
Also, the original poster was a student, which means he's not likely
to need anything Win 95-specific; he just wants to do Ada. Under the
circumstances, consider using GNAT for DOS, a nice 32-bit system that
runs perfectly well under Win 95 in a DOS window or in DOS mode. The
ez2load distribution contains 2 useful editors, one with Borland/DOS
style and one with Windows style, and a number of useful libraries.

See attached for details.

Mike Feldman
------
Sixth Release of ez2load Ada 95 Compiler and Tutorial Kit for MS-DOS
--------------------------------------------------------------------
June 16, 1996
------------

Michael B. Feldman   (mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu)
Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science 
The George Washington University Washington, DC 20052 
(202) 994-5919 (voice) 
(202) 994-0227 (fax) 

We are happy to announce the sixth release of ez2load, an easy-install
kit of free Ada 95 compilers and editors, and a shareware tutorial for 
Ada 95.

This kit is intended for distribution on the July release of the 
Walnut Creek Ada CD-ROM, but it is equally useful as an ftp or 
diskette distribution. All components are freely distributable.

ez2load is available by anonymous ftp at George Washington University:

  ftp://ftp.gwu.edu/pub/ada/ez2load

at New York University

  ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/ez2load

and also in the Public Ada LIbrary at 

  ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/languages/ada/compiler/ez2load

These sites are widely mirrored elsewhere.

New in this release:
-------------------
- GNAT version 3.05 for MS-DOS is now included. This is a _full_ Ada 95
  compiler and binder and now supports tasking. Version 3.05 depends
  on djgpp version 2, which is a much improved GCC for DOS providing
  much more robust virtual memory management.

  GNAT 3.05 can be seen as a maintenance update to GNAT 3.04.
  It fixes bugs but does not add functionality. The installer script
  (install.scr) is updated to reflect this change.

- Improved and extended versions of the AdaCAPS (DOS) and AdaIDE
  (Windows 3.1) editor/development environments. If you picked up
  acaps215.zip from the fifth release (with GNAT 3.04) nothing has 
  changed in AdaCAPS except the version-number references in
  the documentation. However, the AdaIDE is a new version,
  adaide24.zip.

- A very nice Ada 95 VGA Graphics package (vgapck05.zip) by Jerry van Dijk.
  This is an update to vgapck04.zip, and includes several nice
  demo programs, including one that draws a Mandelbrot set.

- Copies of several main user manuals are in the directory as separate
  documents: ez2load.doc, adacaps.doc, and adaide24.txt.

The next two items were included in the fifth release; nothing new.
------------------------------------------------------------------
- A new release of David Wheeler's Lovelace, a free Ada 95 tutorial
  in Hypertext Markup Language (HTML). A copy of the Cello HTML
  browser for Windows is included.

- GW-Ada/Ed, the Ada 83 compiler/interpreter, is no longer a part of
  the "official" distribution, because we want to concentrate on
  Ada 95 tools. GW-Ada/Ed will remain available in a subdirectory
  at the GW ftp site (see details below), and the GW installer will
  continue to provide an option to install GW-Ada/Ed correctly.

Included in the ez2load kit are:
-------------------------------

- a menu-driven installer program

- GNAT (GNU Ada 95 Translator) for DOS, an Ada 95 compiler that runs
  under djgpp (GCC for DOS) and provides a complete implementation
  of Ada 95. A basic djgpp distribution is included in the kit and 
  installed along with GNAT. The initial version of GNAT was created 
  by a team at New York University. Subsequent development of the system 
  and ongoing support is provided by Ada Core Technologies. Report
  GNAT bugs to report@gnat.com.

- AdaCAPS (Ada Computer-Aided Programming System), an interactive development 
  environment for GNAT. The editor provides full support for multiple 
  re-sizable windows (overlaid or tiled), mouse and keystroke interactions, 
  and single-keystroke invocation of GNAT compilation, binding, and execution 
  commands. Ken Price of Priceless Software, Pepperell, Mass, is the
  author of this very nice IDE, which has the "look-and-feel" of a
  Borland "Turbo" product.

- a set of simple DOS command-line commands, gcompile/glink/gexecute,
  which allow new GNAT users to do simple compilation and linking
  operations, and to execute programs in an environment that produces
  an automatic traceback in case of an unhandled exception.
  These commands are invoked by AdaCAPS but can also be run 
  from the DOS command line. Charles Kann and Mchael Feldman are the
  authors.

- a fast hypertext Ada 95 Reference Manual. The hypertext RM can be invoked 
  from GW-GNAT, AdaCAPS and AdaIDE or used as a stand-alone program. The 
  author is Arthur Vargas Lopes.

- AdaTUI, Ada Textual User Interface, a binding to PD Curses
  and a demonstration textual user interface builder package.
  The author is Alden Dima of GWU.

- VGAPack, a set of Ada 95 packages supporting VGA graphics.
  Jerry van Dijk is the author.

- AdaIDE (Ada Interactive Development Environment), an IDE that runs
  under Microsoft Windows 3.1, with the "look-and-feel" of a Microsoft
  "Visual" product. Errol Martin and Don Overheu of Canberra,
  Australia, are the authors of this IDE.

- DRGEN - a tool which allows programmers to easily generate driver programs
  for unit testing Ada packages.  This tool was written by Allan Parrish and
  David Cordes.

- Lovelace - A hypertext Ada 95 tutorial by David Wheeler.  It includes
  the Cello web browser.

- Ada-Tutor - a shareware package by John Herro, providing computer-aided 
  instruction in Ada 95. This is an excellent package for those wishing
  to teach themselves Ada 95.

- GW-Ada/Ed, an integrated Ada 83 environment that provides an excellent
  way to get started with Ada. This system incorporates an editor,
  compiler and virtual-code interpreter, and a very useful multi-window
  runtime monitor. Several directories of interesting example programs
  are provided, including some nice programs to demonstrate Ada's
  multitasking capabilities. Based on NYU's Ada/Ed compiler,
  GW-Ada/Ed was developed by Charles Kann, GW doctoral student,
  and Arthur Vargas Lopes, a GW graduate now of Porto Alegre, Brazil.

  As mentioned above, GW-Ada/Ed is no longer an official part of
  ez2load, but will remain available if you wish to acquire it.
  If you acquire the GW-Ada/Ed files, the installer will install
  it for you properly.

All components are free except for Ada-Tutor, which carries a shareware
fee if you decide to keep it and use it.

Acquiring ez2load by anonymous ftp:
----------------------------------

The ez2load suite is available in these directories:

ftp://ftp.gwu.edu/pub/ada/ez2load   (The George Washington University)
ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/ez2load   (New York University)
ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/languages/ada/compiler/ez2load
                                    (Public Ada Library)

as well as multiple sites that mirror the above.

Here are all the files to copy from the ftp directory:

  README       - This readme file
  ginstall.exe - Program to do the install from a hard disk.
  dinstall.exe - Program to do the install if you use diskettes.
  install.scr  - This script files gives options to the install program.
  unzip.exe    - Info-Unzip, used to unzip distribution files.
                 (pkunzip will NOT unpack this distribution properly)
  README.DSK   - A readme file to explain how to use this distribution
                 to make a diskette distribution.

  adatutor.zip - Zip file containing adatutor.

  gnat3051.zip
  gnat3052.zip
  gnat3053.zip
  gnat3054.zip
  djgpp200.zip - Zip files containing djgpp and GNAT

  acaps215.zip - Zip file containing AdaCAPS and the GW-GNAT
                 support programs.

  adaide24.zip - Zip file containing AdaIDE

  drgen.zip    - separate zipfile containing DRGEN 

  adatui.zip   - separate zipfile containing AdaTUI

  vgapck04.zip - separate zipfile containing VGAPack

The following files are available in the subdirectory 
pub/ada/ez2load/gw-adaed:

  adaed1.zip
  adaed2.zip   - Zip files containing GW-Ada/Ed.

Download the first six files, and any or all of the zip files, into
a "clean" single directory of your choosing, then change to that
directory and type "ginstall". 

The complete zipped distribution occupies just under 13 megabytes; the 
complete unpacked and installed distribution requires about 40 megabytes. 
To get an idea of the individual unpacked pieces, just download
ginstall.exe and install.scr and run ginstall. It will tell you
the approximate installed sizes of the various components.

You need an MS-DOS computer with an 80386 or better CPU; 4 megabytes 
minimum RAM, 8 mb preferred. Hardware floating point is required to
run programs that use tasking or delay statements.

For a more detailed description of the package, please read
ez2load.doc, available in the ez2load directory.

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Re: Ada Editor

[T. Tempelmeier]

Whistler wrote:
> 
> I recently downloaded GNAT for Win95.  Does anyone have a good editor to
> use with this?  I am just starting out with Ada programing, and I would
> like an editor that is easy to use.  We are using VI editor at school on a
> UNIX system, and it sucks!  We are also using Meridian Open Ada, and that
> is also horrible.  I am using a Pentium 133 with 16MB and Win95.  Can
> someone please help me out?
> Adam Conde
> conde@ucla.edu

Try WinEdit.   http://www.windowware.com

Try our free GNAT/WinEdit integration. ftp.fh-rosenheim.de
               /pub/languages/ada/win95/WinEdit.

You get:
- syntax coloring
- compiling, linking, executing from within WinEdit
- error capture and highlighting
- code template insertion (coming soon).

Emacs is probably much better, but WinEdit is VERY easy to use.

Theodor Tempelmeier, tt@extern.lrz-muenchen.de

Re: Ada Editor

[Jussi Jumppanen]

Whistler wrote:
> I recently downloaded GNAT for Win95.  Does anyone have a good editor to
> use with this?  I am just starting out with Ada programing, and I would
> like an editor that is easy to use.  We are using VI editor at school on a
> UNIX system, and it sucks!  We are also using Meridian Open Ada, and that
> is also horrible.  I am using a Pentium 133 with 16MB and Win95.  Can
> someone please help me out?
> Adam Conde
> conde@ucla.edu

You could try:
  Zeus for Windows,Win32 Editor
  A powerful Brief, Epsilon, Wordstar and Emacs compatible programmer's 
  text editor for Windows 3.x, Windows 95 and NT. 

For more information see the Zeus home page:
  http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jussi/

I have also just added the Ada95.txt keyword file to the page. This makes
it easy to configure of the Zeus syntax highlighting to support Ada. 

Jussi Jumppanen (jussij@ca.com.au)
Home Page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jussi/

Re: Ada Editor

[Robert Dewar]

Jussi said

"You could try:
  Zeus for Windows,Win32 Editor
  A powerful Brief, Epsilon, Wordstar and Emacs compatible programmer's
  text editor for Windows 3.x, Windows 95 and NT."

An impressive claim! Emacs compatible? In that case you should be able
to install the EMACS Ada mode stuff??

Re: Ada Editor

[Robert Dewar]

Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.

Jussi said

"You could try:
  Zeus for Windows,Win32 Editor
  A powerful Brief, Epsilon, Wordstar and Emacs compatible programmer's
  text editor for Windows 3.x, Windows 95 and NT."

An impressive claim! Emacs compatible? In that case you should be able
to install the EMACS Ada mode stuff??

Re: Ada Editor

[David Weller]

In article <dewar.843353039@schonberg>, Robert Dewar <dewar@cs.nyu.edu> wrote:
>Jussi said
>"You could try:
>  Zeus for Windows,Win32 Editor
>  A powerful Brief, Epsilon, Wordstar and Emacs compatible programmer's
>  text editor for Windows 3.x, Windows 95 and NT."
>An impressive claim! Emacs compatible? In that case you should be able
>to install the EMACS Ada mode stuff??
>

I think he meant Emacs KEYSTROKE compatible.  It doesn't parse .el
files (to my knowledge).  On the other hand, the author seems quite
willing to support Ada 95.







-- 
    Visit the Ada 95 Booch Components Homepage: www.ocsystems.com/booch
           This is not your father's Ada -- lglwww.epfl.ch/Ada

Re: Ada Editor

[Richard Kenner]

In article <523inn$9c7@dfw.dfw.net> dweller@dfw.net (David Weller) writes:
>I think he meant Emacs KEYSTROKE compatible.  It doesn't parse .el
>files (to my knowledge). 

The two are equivalent, since you can enter arbitrary elisp expressions
as keystrokes.

Re: Ada Editor

[Jussi Jumppanen]

Robert Dewar (dewar@cs.nyu.edu) wrote:
: Jussi said
: 
: "You could try:
:   Zeus for Windows,Win32 Editor
:   A powerful Brief, Epsilon, Wordstar and Emacs compatible programmer's
:   text editor for Windows 3.x, Windows 95 and NT."
: 
: An impressive claim! Emacs compatible? In that case you should be able
: to install the EMACS Ada mode stuff??
 
There is only so much description that can be put in a tag line :)

The emacs "Emacs compatible" claim is only keyboard look and feel. I
don't support the lisp backend to emacs that lets emacs do almost 
anything. But for a Zeus exe size of 800 KBytes I don't think there
are many things (in terms of a programmers editor) that emacs can 
that Zeus can not. There may even be a few things that Zeus can do 
that emacs can not :)

> to install the EMACS Ada mode stuff??
In terms of Ada support, Zeus will highlight ada keywords, run the
compile in the background and provide in edit error navigation (I
am assuming this as Zeus has no trouble running TASM, MSVC++, BC++,
DJGPP C++ compilers and a host of other command line compilers and
tools).

Please don't flame me on this. Editors are very personal things and
who is to say one editor is better than another. I personally use Zeus
in Brief mode as I find Brief the best editor for software development
but this is only one of many opinions on the subject.

Jussi Jumppanen (jussij@ca.com.au)
Author of: Zeus for Windows, Win32 (Brief, WordStar, Emacs clone) Editor
Home Page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jussi/

Re: Ada Editor

[David Weller]

In article <01bdc9f4$4e1bf460$700bf390@hsolar.arinc.com>,
Corporate Information Systems <rsims@arinc.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can get a free or very cheap Ada-oriented editor
>for my PC?
>A pretty printer utility would be useful, too.
>

GNU Emacs for NT and the soon-to-be-released XEmacs 21.0 are both free
and support Ada "out of the box".
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Re: Ada Editor

[Doug Lewis]

You could also use the pcGRASP program from Auburn University.  We use it
here and have been very pleased with it.

Web address: http://www.eng.auburn.edu/department/cse/research/grasp/

Corporate Information Systems wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can get a free or very cheap Ada-oriented editor
> for my PC?
> A pretty printer utility would be useful, too.
>
> Thanks in Advance,
> Ray Sims



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Re: Ada Editor

[Martin C. Carlisle]

In article <01bdc9f4$4e1bf460$700bf390@hsolar.arinc.com>,
Corporate Information Systems <rsims@arinc.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can get a free or very cheap Ada-oriented editor
>for my PC?
>A pretty printer utility would be useful, too.

If you download the GNAT compiler from ftp://ftp.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/winnt
you will get AdaGIDE, which is an Ada-oriented editor with reformatting
capability.  Also, you can get AdaGIDE separately from:
http://www.usafa.af.mil/dfcs/bios/mcc_html/adagide.html

--Martin


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Re: Ada Editor

[Mark]

Corporate Information Systems <rsims@arinc.com> wrote in article
<01bdc9f4$4e1bf460$700bf390@hsolar.arinc.com>...
> Does anyone know where I can get a free or very cheap Ada-oriented editor
> for my PC?
> A pretty printer utility would be useful, too.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> Ray Sims
> 

	try http://www.usafa.af.mil/dfcs/bios/mcc_html/adagide.html

Re: Ada Editor

[John McCabe]

"Corporate Information Systems" <rsims@arinc.com> wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can get a free or very cheap Ada-oriented editor
>for my PC?

If you're using Windows 95/98/NT, get hold of Emacs-NT. I'm not sure of 
the URL, but it's at George Washington University. You should get Version 
20.x (whatever's latest) which comes with ada-mode which is very good.

If you can't find the right place using a search engine, email me and 
I'll send you the URL.

>A pretty printer utility would be useful, too.

Not sure about this bit.

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Best Regards
John McCabe

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=====================================================================

Re: Ada Editor

[Matthew Heaney]

"Corporate Information Systems" <rsims@arinc.com> writes:

> Does anyone know where I can get a free or very cheap Ada-oriented editor
> for my PC?
> A pretty printer utility would be useful, too.

Emacs, of course.  It comes with an ada-mode, which will do formatting
for you.  And you can't beat the price.

Re: Ada Editor

[Chris Warwick]

In article <m3lno7qg5r.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>, Matthew Heaney <matthew_heaney@acm.org> wrote:
>"Corporate Information Systems" <rsims@arinc.com> writes:
>
>> Does anyone know where I can get a free or very cheap Ada-oriented editor
>> for my PC?
>> A pretty printer utility would be useful, too.
>
>Emacs, of course.  It comes with an ada-mode, which will do formatting
>for you.  And you can't beat the price.
>

I would suggest PCGrasp from:

ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/ada/swtools/grasp/win95nt/

no where near as powerful, but much quicker to learn...