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From: "Jean-Pierre Rosen" <rosen.adalog@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Why C++ is successful
Date: 1998/07/29
Date: 1998-07-29T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6pmqsp$570$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 35bebe5f.95187031@netnews.msn.com

Dave Martin a �crit dans le message <35bebe5f.95187031@netnews.msn.com>...
>I personally haven't learned Ada (83/95) yet, so I hesitate to say
>anything one way or the other about it, though I will admit to being
>influenced by my friends occasionally on the subject.  I know many
>people who hate Ada, and I know there are many others who swear by it.
>
A short comment on this from someone who has been teaching/consulting in Ada
since 1980 (no typo here!)

I too have met people who hated Ada (no need to comment on the other ones
:-). Most of the time, it was either because of 1) problems with compilers
or 2) improper training.

As far as 1) is concerned, people see the language through the compiler. If
the compiler is poor, they have a feeling that the language is poor. The
strange thing is that quite often, they refuse to change compiler, and would
rather change language instead. Fortunately, current compilers are much
better, so we can expect this reason to vanish in the future.

As for 2), "Ada is more than just another programming language". Although it
syntactically looks like an enhanced Pascal, programming in Ada requires a
different state of mind. You don't program a computer, you design an
application, the compiler is in charge of bridging the gap between your high
level description and the machine level. People who were not properly
trained often do not understand this different approach, and get very poor
results, with a feeling that strong typing "gets in the way". As Booch
pointed out: "Give a power drill to a carpenter who has never heard of
electricity, and he'll use it as a hammer. He'll bend a few nails and smash
his fingers, because a power drill make a lousy hammer".

I can tell from experience that *very often*, my students tell me a the end
of the course that the language they have discovered was completely
different from what they had heard about it...
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1998-07-25  0:00                 ` Bug story Fergus Henderson
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
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1998-07-28  0:00           ` Why C++ is successful Rakesh Malhotra
1998-07-29  0:00             ` Tom Moran
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` Tom Moran
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00             ` Dave Martin
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` Brian Rogoff
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` John McCabe
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Charles Hixson
1998-07-29  0:00                     ` falis
1998-07-30  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-07-31  0:00                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-01  0:00                     ` Jay Martin
1998-08-02  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-01  0:00                         ` Jay Martin
1998-08-02  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-02  0:00                             ` Lars Farm
1998-08-02  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-02  0:00                                 ` Lars Farm
1998-08-10  0:00                               ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-02  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-02  0:00                             ` Jay Martin
1998-08-02  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` Juan Carlos Gil Montoro
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-29  0:00                     ` Jay Martin
1998-07-30  0:00                       ` dennison
1998-07-30  0:00                     ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-01  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                       ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Ell
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen [this message]
1998-07-29  0:00               ` John McCabe
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` nabbasi
1998-08-08  0:00                   ` Michael Young
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Rakesh Malhotra
1998-08-06  0:00 Robert Dewar
1998-08-06  0:00 ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-06  0:00 ` William Clodius
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1998-08-06  0:00 Robert Dewar
1998-08-07  0:00 ` Jason Stokes
1998-08-08  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-10  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-11  0:00     ` n
1998-08-14  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
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1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert L. Spooner
1998-08-10  0:00   ` Darren New
1998-08-07  0:00 ` harald.mueller
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1998-08-07  0:00     ` Timothy Welch
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Phlip
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Larry Elmore
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-08  0:00           ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-10  0:00           ` Laurent GUERBY
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Andy Ward
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Matt Kennel
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-13  0:00                 ` nasser
1998-08-19  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Ell
1998-08-17  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` Samuel Tardieu
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-14  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Rick Smith
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                           ` Rick Smith
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-15  0:00                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Mr Ada
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-18  0:00                     ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-11  0:00           ` stilcom
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Andrew Koenig
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Stefan Tilkov
1998-08-22  0:00 dewar
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