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From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: C bug of the day
Date: 17 Jun 2003 06:46:27 -0400
Date: 2003-06-17T06:46:27-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6oS1t9htDqrI@eisner.encompasserve.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: d6652001.0306160158.8f93aab@posting.google.com

In article <d6652001.0306160158.8f93aab@posting.google.com>, kanze@gabi-soft.fr writes:
 > brangdon@cix.co.uk (Dave Harris) wrote in message
 > news:<memo.20030613191305.38347A@brangdon.madasafish.com>...
 >> jimmaureenrogers@att.net (James Rogers) wrote (abridged):

 >>  > why would you ever *want* uninitialized variables?
 >
 >> Mainly for speed. We would want to be able to say, eg,
 >>      std::vector<int> vec( 1000000, unitialised );
 >
 >> to avoid writing a million zeros. Which I suspect makes it a
 >> non-trivial language change. What is the type of "initialised"?
 >
 > Hmmm.  Either you write a million zeros, or you write a million words
 > with junk.  Either way, the actual execution time will not change on
 > typical machines.

Certainly an operating system can map arbitrary existing memory pages
into a particular chunk of virtual address space.  The only reason to
expect them to be zeroed or not based on operating system interests
would be confidentiality of the data formerly on those pages of memory.

VMS has "demand zero" pages that provide zeroed pages only on the first
access to the page.  I don't know if typical compilers are smart enough
to use that feature on arrays explicitly initialized to zero.

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Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-03 13:38 C bug of the day Hyman Rosen
2003-06-03 21:35 ` Ron Natalie
2003-06-03 21:38 ` John H. Lindsay
2003-06-04 13:25   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-03 21:49 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-04 13:26   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-05  7:35     ` Raoul Gough
2003-06-04 17:59   ` Carlos Moreno
2003-06-04 18:02   ` Ken Hagan
2003-06-10 16:51     ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-04 18:05   ` Peter van Merkerk
2003-06-05  7:36     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-05 15:58       ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-05 20:51       ` Dave Harris
2003-06-10 13:20         ` kanze
2003-06-10 13:40           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-10 13:51             ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-10 20:32               ` Jim Rogers
2003-06-11  4:01                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11  4:25                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-11  9:41                   ` kanze
2003-06-11  9:31                 ` kanze
2003-06-11 12:48                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-11 16:43                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11 21:41                       ` Mike Silva
2003-06-12 12:39                     ` kanze
2003-06-12 12:52                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-13  1:32                       ` James Rogers
2003-06-13  9:37                       ` AG
2003-06-13 12:21                         ` Peter Amey
2003-06-13 13:38                         ` Ed Falis
2003-06-13 14:43                         ` kanze
2003-06-13 16:06                           ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-13 21:32                           ` AG
2003-06-11  9:22               ` kanze
2003-06-11  9:49                 ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 10:11                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 10:50                     ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 11:08                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 11:29                         ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 11:58                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 12:38                             ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 12:59                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-11 13:13                                 ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-12  3:26                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-12 20:24                           ` Pascal Obry
2003-06-13 23:40                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-14 10:57                               ` Replacement for Text_IO? (was Re: C bug of the day) Dale Stanbrough
2003-06-16 22:06                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 22:35                                 ` Gautier Write-only
2003-06-17  1:31                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-17  1:56                                   ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-06-17  8:46                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-17 11:42                                       ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-06-17 12:53                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                         ` <sqilr-9d3.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-06-12  7:35                           ` Compilers on old machines (was: " Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-13 23:33                         ` C bug of the day Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 11:23                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-16 21:41                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-06-16 21:45                               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-17 10:52                         ` Replacement for Text_IO? (was Re: C bug of the day) Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-11 10:36                   ` C bug of the day Peter Hermann
2003-06-11 10:43                     ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 13:12                       ` Bernd Trog
2003-06-11 16:40                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-06-12  7:16                     ` Erlo Haugen
2003-06-11 16:40                 ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11 16:59                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-12  3:28                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-11 18:05                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-12 12:56                   ` kanze
2003-06-11 22:31             ` Kevin Cline
2003-06-12  7:06               ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-12 18:40                 ` Mike Silva
2003-06-12 19:03                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-13 15:07                     ` kanze
2003-06-13 15:23                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-12 10:21               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-06-12 21:58                 ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-13 15:13                   ` kanze
2003-06-14  6:10                     ` Simon Wright
2003-06-12 14:23               ` kanze
2003-06-13  1:52                 ` James Rogers
2003-06-13 15:24                   ` kanze
2003-06-13 15:31                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-14 10:37                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-14  6:12                     ` Simon Wright
2003-06-14 14:39                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-12 17:33               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-12 20:38               ` Simon Wright
2003-06-10 16:55           ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-11 10:10           ` James Rogers
2003-06-12  0:12             ` Andrei Alexandrescu
2003-06-12  9:23               ` James Rogers
2003-06-12 10:27                 ` Andrei Alexandrescu
2003-06-13  8:16                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-13 15:55                     ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-14  9:57                       ` Ron Natalie
2003-06-14 20:27                         ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-16 22:46                           ` kanze
2003-06-16 22:54                           ` Ron Natalie
2003-06-15  0:07                         ` Dave Harris
2003-06-16 22:50                           ` kanze
2003-06-17 15:33                             ` Dave Harris
2003-06-15  1:54                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-15 10:07                           ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-18 21:15                         ` Balog Pal
2003-06-14 20:27                       ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-15 10:06                         ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-15 18:31                           ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-16  8:45                             ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-16 22:42                               ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-17 17:51                             ` kanze
2003-06-18 15:47                               ` John Potter
2003-06-15 15:04                         ` John Potter
2003-06-15 21:55                           ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-16  9:06                             ` John Potter
2003-06-16 22:43                               ` Francis Glassborow
2003-06-13 19:22                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-14  9:50                     ` kanze
2003-06-14  9:51                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-14 10:01                     ` Dave Harris
2003-06-15  0:45                       ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-15 18:12                         ` Dave Harris
2003-06-16 22:52                       ` kanze
2003-06-17 10:46                         ` Larry Kilgallen [this message]
2003-06-14 10:15                     ` Andrei Alexandrescu
2003-06-14 16:16                     ` Simon Wright
2003-06-18 21:15                     ` Balog Pal
2003-06-12 19:43                 ` Balog Pal
2003-06-13  8:17                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-13 19:10                     ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-14  9:53                     ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-14 17:10                     ` Addding new attributes to Ada0Y Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-12 13:25             ` C bug of the day kanze
2003-06-13  0:39               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-13 21:25                 ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-13 23:42                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-16 22:53                 ` kanze
2003-06-17 15:43                   ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-18  1:41                     ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-18 13:52                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-18 14:37                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-06-18 15:17                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-19  8:30                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-19 23:33                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-20  1:18                             ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20  4:56                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-20  5:05                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-20  5:54                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-20  7:10                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-20 21:12                               ` Mark A. Biggar
2003-06-21  7:28                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-06-18 21:12                       ` kanze
2003-06-19  3:24                         ` James Rogers
2003-06-19 14:02                           ` kanze
2003-06-19 23:29                             ` tmoran
2003-06-20  9:38                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-20 12:25                               ` kanze
2003-06-24  1:59                               ` Matthew Heaney
2003-06-20  0:42                             ` Jim Rogers
2003-06-20  9:38                               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20  9:39                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-06-19  4:28                         ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-20 23:02                         ` Stephen Leake
2003-06-21 19:41                     ` Dave Harris
2003-06-23  0:02                       ` Terje Slettebø
2003-06-23 15:51                         ` Dave Harris
2003-06-17 10:35                 ` Andy Sawyer
2003-06-17 17:48                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-06-17 17:52                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-06-18 14:10                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-06-18 15:39                     ` Andy Sawyer
2003-06-13  8:00               ` Mike Silva
2003-06-15  0:40                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-16 22:57                   ` kanze
2003-06-13  8:05               ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-14  9:56                 ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-15  0:42                   ` Ed Avis
2003-06-15 10:01                     ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-15 21:59                       ` Ed Avis
2003-06-16  9:04                       ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-15  0:45                   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-13  8:17               ` James Rogers
2003-06-14  9:52                 ` kanze
2003-06-15  0:43                   ` James Rogers
2003-06-15 18:48                     ` Garbage Collector [Was: C bug of the day] Martin Krischik
2003-06-16 23:30                       ` Robert A Duff
2003-06-17  3:51                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-06-14 16:22                 ` Bounded integer types (was: C bug of the day) Ed Avis
2003-06-03 21:59 ` C bug of the day Mike Silva
2003-06-04 16:41 ` LLeweLLyn
2003-06-04 22:37   ` Wesley Groleau
2003-06-09 23:50 ` Balog Pal
2003-06-21 19:26 ` Florian Weimer
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