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From: vsnyder@gyre.jpl.nasa.gov (Van Snyder)
Subject: Performance Ada and C, was Re: Size code Ada and C
Date: 1998/07/03
Date: 1998-07-03T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6nh762$66i@netline.jpl.nasa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.899298949@merv


In article <dewar.899298949@merv>, dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes:
|> 
|> But to think there is a significant difference here between C, Ada or
|> C++ is I think a delusion.
|> 

Bolek Szymanski (http://www.cs.rpi.edu/szymansk) has noticed substantial
performance differences between C and Fortran, and even more substantial
differences between C++ and Fortran, at least in plasma particle-in-cell
simulation codes.  The reason that Fortran is usually faster than C is
the reason that Ada ought to be faster:  Pointers in Fortran are more
disciplined -- no pointer arithmetic, and non-pointer thing-o's must have
the TARGET attribute to get a pointer landing on them. Barbara Ryder, from
AT&T Bell Labs (I don't know what fragment she's in now, if any) has shown
that pointer optimization in C is NP-hard, while pointer optimization in
Fortran and Ada is "only" polynomially hard.

Only loosely relatedly, Les Hatton of PR-QA in Esher, Surrey, England has
noticed that defect densities and lifetime costs of equivalent programs in
Fortran, C and Ada are roughly the same, whereas defect densities and
lifetime costs of C++ programs are roughly three times as large.

One of my colleagues reminded me of a study, for which neither of us
could remember the author, that observed that 3 out of 4 C++ projects
that are initiated are cancelled before completion.

-- 
What fraction of Americans believe   |  Van Snyder
Wrestling is real and NASA is fake?  |  vsnyder@math.jpl.nasa.gov




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     [not found]   ` <dewar.899298949@merv>
1998-07-03  0:00     ` Van Snyder [this message]
1998-07-03  0:00       ` Performance Ada and C Markus Kuhn
1998-07-03  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1998-07-03  0:00           ` Markus Kuhn
1998-07-04  0:00             ` ak
1998-07-07  0:00             ` Frank Klemm
1998-07-13  0:00               ` Daren Scot Wilson
     [not found] ` <m3zpf1tyr8.fsf@zaphod.enst.fr>
     [not found]   ` <6mtiv0$9j3@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com>
     [not found]     ` <dewar.898962846@merv>
     [not found]       ` <6n8393$hoi$2@platane.wanadoo.fr>
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     [not found]             ` <6n8b7u$9hm@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com>
     [not found]               ` <m3vhpk5f0d.fsf@zaphod.enst.fr>
     [not found]                 ` <3597db2d.1017430@news.demon.co.uk>
     [not found]                   ` <EACHUS.98Jun30173656@spectre.mitre.org>
1998-07-03  0:00                     ` Size code " John McCabe
1998-07-03  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
1998-07-03  0:00                         ` John McCabe
1998-07-07  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]         ` <dewar.899298821@merv>
1998-07-07  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]       ` <6n7jut$al0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
     [not found]         ` <6navqt$shc$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>
     [not found]           ` <359A53E2.41C6@lanl.gov>
     [not found]             ` <dewar.899334821@merv>
     [not found]               ` <6nfp0v$dgl@gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com>
1998-07-02  0:00                 ` Ariane 5 failure (Was: Size code Ada and C) Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-07-03  0:00             ` robin
1998-07-02  0:00               ` William Clodius
1998-07-09  0:00             ` Plenty of unnecessary contraint tests " Frank Klemm
1998-07-09  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-07-10  0:00                 ` Frank Klemm
1998-07-10  0:00               ` Ariane 5 failure " Dale Stanbrough
1998-07-10  0:00                 ` John McCabe
1998-07-10  0:00                   ` Frank Klemm
1998-07-10  0:00                   ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-10  0:00               ` Plenty of unnecessary contraint tests " Robert S. White
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