From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: A bad counterintuitive behaviour of Ada about OO
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 00:58:12 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2014-08-11T00:58:12-07:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6c67704a-d399-433d-bd8e-4566e79defaf@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2e3dyovp6wty.myprjpgzi2uy$.dlg@40tude.net>
W dniu poniedziałek, 11 sierpnia 2014 09:41:09 UTC+2 użytkownik Dmitry A. Kazakov napisał:
> Nope, it would not work in any language, unless you redefine the word
> dispatching as you tried with covariance. There is no dispatching when
> types are known.
OK, so you still don't get it. The (potential) dispatch is on the factory type:
procedure Use_Whatever_Factory (F : in Factory'Class) is
P : Product'Class := F.Make_Product;
begin
-- ...
end;
Now you have dispatch on the factory type.
Of course, I still want all the specific calls work, too, that's why the return type cannot be Product'Class, otherwise I will be forced to cast types.
In other words, this has to work as well:
procedure Use_Specific_Factory (F : in Specific_Factory) is
SP : Specific_Product := F.Make_Product;
begin
-- ...
end;
And there is no way to make *both* work in Ada. You can get one or the other but not both.
> Where is a problem? Do this (in another package):
>
> not overriding
> function Make (F : not null access B_Factory) return B;
>
> Observe: not overriding.
And this is where your idea breaks down. The Make operation *must* be overriding, otherwise I will not be able to use Factory'Class.
> > Useless?
>
> Yes, useless. If you know all types involved you call a specific subprogram
> or simply declare the object. Work done.
I might not know the specific factory type. That's the whole point of all creational design patterns, which I have mentioned several times already.
> Factories are used *only* when types are unknown in advance.
Not only. I might want to use specific factory from the hierarchy of factories, too. The OOP does not force me to use class-wide types only.
--
Maciej Sobczak * http://www.msobczak.com * http://www.inspirel.com
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Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-05 20:09 A bad counterintuitive behaviour of Ada about OO Victor Porton
2014-08-05 20:58 ` Simon Wright
2014-08-05 21:06 ` Victor Porton
2014-08-05 21:51 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-05 22:13 ` Victor Porton
2014-08-05 22:35 ` Victor Porton
2014-08-05 23:25 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-08-05 20:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-05 21:07 ` Victor Porton
2014-08-05 22:39 ` Shark8
2014-08-05 21:11 ` Victor Porton
2014-08-06 7:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 7:41 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-07 8:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 7:54 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08 8:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 13:06 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08 13:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 22:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-09 16:11 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-09 16:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-10 20:55 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-11 7:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-11 7:58 ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2014-08-11 8:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-12 7:50 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-11 11:35 ` G.B.
2014-08-08 22:26 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-08 8:34 ` Shark8
2014-08-08 12:59 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08 22:37 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-08 22:53 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-08-07 8:58 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-07 9:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 11:17 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-07 12:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 13:34 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-07 16:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 18:14 ` Robert A Duff
2014-08-07 19:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 20:53 ` Robert A Duff
2014-08-08 7:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 8:18 ` Shark8
2014-08-08 7:45 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 8:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 8:55 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 9:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 10:01 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 10:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 10:56 ` Victor Porton
2014-08-08 12:00 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 13:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 13:53 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 20:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 20:29 ` Shark8
2014-08-08 7:49 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 8:12 ` Shark8
2014-08-08 8:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 11:10 ` Shark8
2014-08-08 11:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 19:34 ` Shark8
2014-08-08 20:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 15:03 ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-08-08 7:48 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08 8:51 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 13:25 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08 13:34 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 13:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 14:21 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 20:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 22:08 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-08 22:18 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-06 4:50 ` Per Sandberg
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