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From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: A bad counterintuitive behaviour of Ada about OO
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 00:58:12 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2014-08-11T00:58:12-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6c67704a-d399-433d-bd8e-4566e79defaf@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2e3dyovp6wty.myprjpgzi2uy$.dlg@40tude.net>

W dniu poniedziałek, 11 sierpnia 2014 09:41:09 UTC+2 użytkownik Dmitry A. Kazakov napisał:

> Nope, it would not work in any language, unless you redefine the word
> dispatching as you tried with covariance. There is no dispatching when
> types are known.

OK, so you still don't get it. The (potential) dispatch is on the factory type:

procedure Use_Whatever_Factory (F : in Factory'Class) is

   P : Product'Class := F.Make_Product;

begin
   -- ...
end;

Now you have dispatch on the factory type.
Of course, I still want all the specific calls work, too, that's why the return type cannot be Product'Class, otherwise I will be forced to cast types.
In other words, this has to work as well:

procedure Use_Specific_Factory (F : in Specific_Factory) is

   SP : Specific_Product := F.Make_Product;

begin
   -- ...
end;

And there is no way to make *both* work in Ada. You can get one or the other but not both.

> Where is a problem? Do this (in another package):
> 
>    not overriding
>       function Make (F : not null access B_Factory) return B;
> 
> Observe: not overriding.

And this is where your idea breaks down. The Make operation *must* be overriding, otherwise I will not be able to use Factory'Class.

> > Useless?
> 
> Yes, useless. If you know all types involved you call a specific subprogram
> or simply declare the object. Work done.

I might not know the specific factory type. That's the whole point of all creational design patterns, which I have mentioned several times already.

> Factories are used *only* when types are unknown in advance.

Not only. I might want to use specific factory from the hierarchy of factories, too. The OOP does not force me to use class-wide types only.

-- 
Maciej Sobczak * http://www.msobczak.com * http://www.inspirel.com

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-11  7:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-05 20:09 A bad counterintuitive behaviour of Ada about OO Victor Porton
2014-08-05 20:58 ` Simon Wright
2014-08-05 21:06   ` Victor Porton
2014-08-05 21:51     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-08-05 22:13       ` Victor Porton
2014-08-05 22:35   ` Victor Porton
2014-08-05 23:25     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-08-05 20:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-05 21:07   ` Victor Porton
2014-08-05 22:39     ` Shark8
2014-08-05 21:11   ` Victor Porton
2014-08-06  7:26     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07  7:41       ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-07  8:50         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08  7:54           ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08  8:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 13:06               ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08 13:22                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 22:32                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-09 16:11                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-09 16:48                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-10 20:55                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-11  7:41                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-11  7:58                           ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2014-08-11  8:23                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-12  7:50                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-11 11:35                             ` G.B.
2014-08-08 22:26                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-08  8:34             ` Shark8
2014-08-08 12:59               ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08 22:37                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-08 22:53                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-08-07  8:58         ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-07  9:40           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 11:17             ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-07 12:28               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 13:34                 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-07 16:10                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 18:14                     ` Robert A Duff
2014-08-07 19:41                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 20:53                         ` Robert A Duff
2014-08-08  7:43                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08  8:18                             ` Shark8
2014-08-08  7:45                     ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08  8:04                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08  8:55                         ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08  9:13                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 10:01                             ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 10:53                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 10:56                                 ` Victor Porton
2014-08-08 12:00                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 13:11                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 13:53                                     ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 20:23                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 20:29                   ` Shark8
2014-08-08  7:49                     ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08  8:12                       ` Shark8
2014-08-08  8:26                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 11:10                           ` Shark8
2014-08-08 11:20                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 19:34                               ` Shark8
2014-08-08 20:23                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-07 15:03           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-08-08  7:48           ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08  8:51             ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 13:25               ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-08-08 13:34                 ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 13:52                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 14:21                     ` J-P. Rosen
2014-08-08 20:23                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-08-08 22:08                     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-08 22:18                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-08-06  4:50 ` Per Sandberg
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