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From: "James Giles" <jamesgiles@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Which language pays most -- C++ vs. Java?
Date: 1998/02/13
Date: 1998-02-13T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6c2kcv$cjm@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 34e43647.50558038@nntp.ix.netcom.com



Michael Rubenstein wrote in message
<34e43647.50558038@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
...
>Obviously you are very bothered by this.  So bothered that you didn't
>notice that the sentence that started this may be considered to fall
>into that category.  It was not talking about a specific individual.

Evidently you didn't read my articles.  I didn't address the original
example at all.  And no, the original example doesn't bother me.
In fact, I use that kind of phrase all the time ("if everyone would
raise their glasses in a toast").

What does bother me is people using the plural when it actually
makes their statement *false*.  Such as the sample I wrote about
the pilot's responsibilities.  Another thing that bothers me is usage
which scrambles the meaning so badly that it can't be followed
clearly: "the man lost their wife to cancer."  Whose wife?  Was
the man (who is the subsect of the sentence) one of those married
to her?  Is this a story about cancer or bigamy?  (This example was
heard on CNN.)

Finally, what bothers me is to be told that my occasional use
of the traditional generic is sexist.  It isn't.  Indeed, it is the reader
who makes such an accusation that is being impolite.  The reader
who interprets the use of the traditional generic as sexist is the
one making the decision to exclude women from the domain of
those the writing is about.  This is true regardless of the intent of
the writer.

--
J. Giles






  parent reply	other threads:[~1998-02-13  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1998-01-30  0:00 Which language pays most -- C++ vs. Java? scott
1998-01-30  0:00 ` Charles W. Hall
1998-01-30  0:00   ` Kaz Kylheku
1998-01-30  0:00     ` Art/Jeannie Daly
1998-01-30  0:00     ` Jahfre
1998-02-02  0:00     ` Ian Chivers
1999-07-29  0:00     ` Edwin Purvee
1999-07-30  0:00       ` Kaz Kylheku
1999-07-30  0:00         ` Paul Mesken
1998-02-18  0:00   ` Mad Hamish
1998-02-17  0:00     ` Dennis Weldy
1998-02-18  0:00     ` mei
1998-02-18  0:00       ` Charles W. Hall
1998-02-19  0:00     ` Rennie Allen
1998-01-30  0:00 ` James Giles
1998-02-10  0:00 ` Graham Broadbridge
1998-02-10  0:00   ` dogmat
1998-02-11  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
1998-02-11  0:00       ` The Goobers
1998-02-11  0:00         ` Frank A. Adrian
1998-02-12  0:00           ` docdwarf
1998-02-12  0:00             ` Frank A. Adrian
1998-02-12  0:00               ` docdwarf
1998-02-12  0:00                 ` Frank A. Adrian
1998-02-12  0:00                   ` docdwarf
1998-02-12  0:00                     ` dogmat
1998-02-13  0:00                       ` Ethics Gradient
1998-02-13  0:00                     ` Steven B Mohler
1998-02-18  0:00                       ` Mad Hamish
1998-02-14  0:00                     ` Richard Kenner
1998-02-14  0:00                       ` The Goobers
1998-02-13  0:00             ` Ethics Gradient
1998-02-15  0:00               ` Flaagg
1998-02-16  0:00                 ` The Goobers
1998-02-16  0:00                   ` Flaagg
1998-02-16  0:00                     ` The Goobers
1998-02-17  0:00                       ` Flaagg
1998-02-17  0:00                         ` The Goobers
1998-02-17  0:00                     ` Anthony Jenkins
1998-02-18  0:00                       ` Sakurambo
1998-02-19  0:00                         ` Vinay Mutha
1998-02-20  0:00                           ` WeeSaul
1998-02-21  0:00                             ` Sakurambo
1998-02-21  0:00                               ` The Goobers
1998-02-19  0:00                         ` Dave Hillstrom
1998-02-16  0:00               ` WeeSaul
1998-02-13  0:00             ` Steven B Mohler
1998-02-14  0:00               ` The Goobers
1998-02-12  0:00           ` Peter Hermann
1998-02-13  0:00           ` Ethics Gradient
1998-02-19  0:00             ` Paulo Pena
1998-02-19  0:00               ` Dik T. Winter
1998-02-19  0:00                 ` D J Mann
1998-02-19  0:00                   ` Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **
1998-02-19  0:00                   ` Kaz Kylheku
     [not found]                     ` <6cigl4$m11@news.Hawaii.Edu>
1998-02-20  0:00                       ` Paul Stevenson
1998-02-20  0:00                         ` The Goobers
1998-03-02  0:00             ` Mailuser
1998-02-12  0:00         ` Will Rose
1998-02-12  0:00           ` docdwarf
     [not found]             ` <01bd3803$441d4c30$ee6de288@ato-10098>
1998-02-13  0:00               ` The Goobers
1998-02-13  0:00               ` Jeff York
1998-02-13  0:00                 ` docdwarf
1998-02-13  0:00                   ` M.L. Scott
1998-02-13  0:00                     ` The Goobers
1998-02-16  0:00             ` tgg
1998-02-16  0:00               ` The Goobers
1998-02-17  0:00                 ` martin dowie
1998-02-16  0:00             ` tgg
1998-02-16  0:00               ` The Goobers
1998-02-12  0:00         ` Eric Clayberg
1998-02-11  0:00           ` Dietmar Stumpe
1998-02-11  0:00             ` Patricia Shanahan
1998-02-12  0:00               ` Michael Entwistle
1998-02-12  0:00                 ` docdwarf
1998-02-12  0:00               ` Chris Gray
1998-02-12  0:00             ` Stephen Taylor
1998-02-12  0:00               ` John W. Lewellen
1998-02-12  0:00             ` Michael Rubenstein
1998-02-12  0:00               ` docdwarf
1998-02-12  0:00                 ` Michael Rubenstein
1998-02-12  0:00                   ` The Goobers
1998-02-12  0:00               ` James Giles
1998-02-12  0:00                 ` Michael Rubenstein
1998-02-12  0:00                   ` James Giles
1998-02-13  0:00                     ` Michael Rubenstein
1998-02-13  0:00                       ` Benz
1998-02-13  0:00                       ` James Giles [this message]
1998-02-17  0:00                         ` K. C. Putnam
1998-02-17  0:00                           ` gypsy
1998-02-13  0:00               ` Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
1998-02-12  0:00             ` docdwarf
1998-02-12  0:00           ` docdwarf
     [not found]             ` <01bd37cf$fa30c4e0$56dacdcf@ms112188.mindspring.com>
1998-02-12  0:00               ` docdwarf
1998-02-12  0:00                 ` Michael Rot13 Klein
1998-02-12  0:00                   ` The Goobers
1998-02-14  0:00       ` cyanide
1998-02-17  0:00       ` Joseph T. Adams
1998-02-17  0:00         ` Richard Kenner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-12-19  0:00 Which language pays most 17457 " James Giles
1997-12-22  0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-12-21  0:00   ` James Giles
1997-12-28  0:00     ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-12-30  0:00       ` paulr
1997-12-31  0:00         ` Which language pays most " arnie sherman
1997-12-30  0:00           ` Dann Corbit
1997-12-31  0:00           ` John Slaman
     [not found]             ` <01bd198f$4050d960$68c8b5cc@dhite.unicomp.net>
1998-01-06  0:00               ` Jedi
1998-01-10  0:00               ` Highlander Consulting
1998-01-11  0:00                 ` Patricia Shanahan
1998-01-11  0:00                   ` Barrabazz
1998-01-11  0:00                     ` Patricia Shanahan
1998-01-12  0:00                     ` Ron Peterson
1998-01-14  0:00                       ` anonymous
1998-01-19  0:00                         ` Joe Gwinn
     [not found]                           ` <01bd2526$66b70fa0$d6d945cf@juddesk>
1998-01-23  0:00                             ` dnns
1998-01-27  0:00                               ` Robert Garskof
1998-01-28  0:00                           ` Steve Dekorte
1998-01-28  0:00                             ` Barrabazz
1998-01-28  0:00                               ` dogmat
1998-01-29  0:00                                 ` Joe Gwinn
1998-01-29  0:00                                   ` coryb
1998-01-29  0:00                                   ` Wayne L. Beavers
1998-01-29  0:00                                     ` Frank A. Adrian
1998-02-03  0:00                                     ` GLE
1998-02-03  0:00                                       ` Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **
1998-02-03  0:00                                       ` The Goobers
1998-01-30  0:00                                   ` Robert S. White
1998-01-30  0:00                                     ` Patricia Shanahan
1998-01-31  0:00                                     ` Paul Van Bellinghen
1998-02-01  0:00                                       ` Nick Roberts
1998-02-09  0:00                                   ` cyanide
1998-02-10  0:00                                     ` Bill Lynch
1998-02-10  0:00                                       ` Michael Rot13 Klein
1998-02-10  0:00                                       ` Jeff Knaggs
1998-02-10  0:00                                     ` dogmat
1998-01-29  0:00                                 ` Tim Oxler
1998-01-29  0:00                                 ` Tim Oxler
1998-02-09  0:00                                 ` cyanide
1998-02-10  0:00                                   ` dogmat
1999-07-29  0:00                                 ` Edwin Purvee
     [not found]                               ` <01bd2c3c$6726d520$8101b8c7@MIS-RKW95.spartan.com>
1998-02-10  0:00                                 ` Steve Dekorte
1998-02-10  0:00                                   ` Bill Lynch
1998-02-11  0:00                                   ` dogmat
1998-01-29  0:00                             ` Joe Gwinn
1998-01-31  0:00                           ` Larry Wiggins
1999-07-29  0:00                             ` Ben Pfaff
1999-07-29  0:00                               ` Kaz Kylheku
     [not found]                           ` <6alu5l$onm$1@owl.slip <01bd2c3c$6726d520$8101b8c7@MIS-RKW95.spartan.com>
1998-02-02  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
1998-02-02  0:00                               ` Michael C. Kasten
     [not found]                           ` <6alu5l$onm$1@owl.slip <34E0D798.E29D6CA0@cableol.co.uk>
1998-02-11  0:00                             ` Kaz Kylheku
     [not found]                         ` <gwinn-1901981219520001@dh5055142. <34CE059C.634DE881@snet.com>
1998-01-27  0:00                           ` Kaz Kylheku
1998-01-28  0:00                             ` Robert Garskof
1998-02-09  0:00                       ` cyanide
1998-01-11  0:00                 ` Kaz Kylheku
1998-01-11  0:00                   ` Carsten Arnholm
1998-01-15  0:00                   ` Highlander Consulting
1998-01-16  0:00                   ` Charles F Hankel
1999-08-09  0:00                   ` Paul Groves
1999-08-09  0:00                     ` Kaz Kylheku
1998-01-02  0:00           ` Philip Hunt
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