From: "Jedi Tek'Unum" <jeditekunum@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What is the best license to use for open source software?
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:44:01 -0800 (PST)
Date: 2015-01-27T14:44:01-08:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6b118519-c141-46fd-a017-f3af3809e5e0@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1391828381444007928.494546nonlegitur-futureapps.invalid@reader80.eternal-september.org>
On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 6:39:56 PM UTC-6, G. B. wrote:
> "Jedi Tek'Unum" wrote:
> > The frustrating thing is that this situation has existed for 20+ years.
> > It seems the community lacks the critical mass required to converge on effective solutions.
>
> Critical mass is seen near fads and big money, adoption of things that
> change and transform, come and go.
> PLs seem to develop differently: What is needed in order to sustain them is
> simply business.
Yet nobody (I suppose there are still niche compiler vendors) really makes any money on C/C++ compilers. Vendors only invest in them because they have to in order to sustain their ecosystem (Apple, Oracle, etc). Its other aspects of the ecosystem that generates revenue, not the tools.
With Ada it is an entirely different story. Vendors (mostly AdaCore) need revenue on the tools themselves because that is all they have for assets. Their market is very small and not going to grow - they already have the customers who need it.
Its disappointing that Ada is locked into this niche and shows little potential to break out.
I guess the problem is really that "general computing" seems to be decaying in quality, not that it was ever very good. Most believe "good enough" is just that and refuse to spend anything on something better. They believe there is no solution to the ongoing maintenance costs and quality problems. Even when there is. Inertia (and ignorance) is the killer.
Back to the race to the bottom...
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2015-01-04 19:43 What is the best license to use for open source software? Hubert
2015-01-04 20:24 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-04 20:50 ` David Botton
2015-01-04 21:27 ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-04 22:13 ` David Botton
2015-01-04 23:14 ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-05 0:56 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 1:20 ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-05 2:28 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 11:24 ` GNAT GPL is not shareware (was: Re: What is the best license to use for open source software?) Dirk Heinrichs
2015-01-05 11:38 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 12:02 ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Mark Carroll
2015-01-05 13:26 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 0:39 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-01-06 0:48 ` Hubert
2015-01-06 0:54 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 4:02 ` Hubert
2015-01-06 13:26 ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-01-06 14:45 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-06 14:51 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 20:14 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-06 20:59 ` David Botton
2015-01-07 23:36 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08 3:22 ` David Botton
2015-01-08 4:21 ` Hubert
2015-01-08 5:17 ` David Botton
2015-01-08 8:52 ` Simon Wright
2015-01-08 11:36 ` gnatmake to lose support for project files, gprbuild instead Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-09 2:05 ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 2:40 ` Paul Rubin
2015-01-09 3:42 ` David Botton
2015-01-09 6:50 ` Paul Rubin
2015-01-09 17:17 ` Mark Carroll
2015-01-09 20:08 ` David Botton
2015-01-10 12:53 ` Brian Drummond
2015-01-10 2:06 ` Simon Clubley
2015-01-09 3:40 ` David Botton
2015-01-09 9:25 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-01-06 15:36 ` G.B.
2015-01-06 17:14 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 14:46 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 15:09 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 17:37 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 17:46 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 20:52 ` Shark8
2015-01-06 21:15 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 21:46 ` Shark8
2015-01-07 11:00 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 12:23 ` sbelmont700
2015-01-07 13:03 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 13:46 ` sbelmont700
2015-01-07 14:16 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 22:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 13:19 ` Thomas Løcke
2015-01-07 16:32 ` Shark8
2015-01-07 17:28 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 19:04 ` Shark8
2015-01-07 22:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 19:24 ` Shark8
2015-01-07 21:45 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 17:33 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 17:39 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 22:47 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 23:02 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 23:47 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08 8:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-08 10:55 ` G.B.
2015-01-08 12:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-08 14:17 ` G.B.
2015-01-08 16:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-09 13:47 ` G.B.
2015-01-09 22:03 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 23:39 ` Shark8
2015-01-12 23:49 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-13 9:00 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-13 15:51 ` Robert A Duff
2015-01-13 17:46 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-13 21:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-14 8:47 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-14 16:22 ` Robert A Duff
2015-01-14 17:45 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-14 23:43 ` Robert A Duff
2015-01-15 9:31 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-15 14:24 ` G.B.
2015-01-15 20:24 ` David Botton
2015-01-15 21:10 ` Simon Wright
2015-01-16 0:35 ` David Botton
2015-01-16 0:45 ` David Botton
2015-01-10 7:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-12 11:40 ` G.B.
2015-01-12 13:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-12 14:52 ` G.B.
2015-01-12 15:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-13 0:00 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-12 23:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 2:33 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08 18:46 ` Shark8
2015-01-08 20:51 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-09 2:20 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 14:11 ` G.B.
2015-01-09 21:33 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 21:47 ` Shark8
2015-01-09 22:07 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 23:36 ` Shark8
2015-01-12 23:37 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 9:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-01-09 10:27 ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-09 10:58 ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-09 16:39 ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-10 17:33 ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-10 17:44 ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-11 1:09 ` David Botton
2015-01-11 11:39 ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-11 17:42 ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-06 18:45 ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-05 18:43 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-05 13:40 ` G.B.
2015-01-05 13:59 ` Brad Moore
2015-01-05 14:49 ` G.B.
2015-01-05 15:11 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 18:43 ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-06 19:42 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 20:22 ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-07 1:59 ` Hubert
2015-01-07 9:38 ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-07 10:17 ` Mark Carroll
2015-01-07 10:27 ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-07 12:44 ` David Botton
2015-01-07 15:39 ` Dirk Heinrichs
2015-01-07 23:45 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08 4:09 ` Hubert
2015-01-08 8:57 ` Simon Wright
2015-01-08 11:06 ` G.B.
2015-01-05 18:43 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-06 0:44 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-01-29 12:58 ` Lucretia
2015-01-29 14:25 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-30 11:20 ` Brian Drummond
2015-01-29 19:12 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-29 20:57 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-30 16:48 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-30 20:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-30 21:03 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-31 8:16 ` Dirk Heinrichs
2015-01-31 15:38 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-02 20:44 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-02 22:06 ` David Botton
2015-02-03 20:14 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-04 0:09 ` David Botton
2015-02-04 7:27 ` Pascal Obry
2015-02-04 8:00 ` Mark Carroll
2015-02-04 8:38 ` Pascal Obry
2015-02-04 12:27 ` G.B.
2015-02-04 12:48 ` David Botton
2015-02-04 17:03 ` Björn Lundin
2015-02-04 10:15 ` Simon Wright
2015-02-04 12:30 ` David Botton
2015-02-02 22:13 ` Björn Lundin
2015-02-02 23:03 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-03 20:36 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-03 22:54 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-04 17:42 ` Björn Lundin
2015-02-04 19:41 ` Simon Wright
2015-02-04 22:49 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-05 9:00 ` Simon Wright
2015-02-04 20:57 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-04 23:17 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-04 23:57 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-05 9:06 ` Simon Wright
2015-02-05 20:26 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-03 23:34 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-02-03 23:55 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-04 0:20 ` David Botton
2015-02-04 21:20 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-31 9:49 ` G.B.
2015-01-31 16:12 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-02 12:06 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2015-01-30 11:48 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2015-01-30 12:10 ` G.B.
2015-01-30 12:12 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-30 13:50 ` Simon Wright
2015-01-30 15:48 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-30 17:13 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-30 17:34 ` Simon Wright
2015-01-30 18:21 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-30 18:49 ` Simon Wright
2015-01-30 19:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-31 9:02 ` Simon Wright
2015-02-01 21:17 ` Containers on small systems (Was: GNAT GPL is not shareware) Simon Wright
2015-02-05 9:40 ` Containers on small systems Simon Wright
2015-02-06 21:54 ` Simon Wright
2015-02-18 22:25 ` Simon Wright
2015-01-31 11:04 ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Brian Drummond
2015-01-05 19:54 ` What is the best license to use for open source software? Michael B.
2015-01-05 20:45 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 21:51 ` sbelmont700
2015-01-05 13:36 ` G.B.
2015-01-05 14:54 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 3:47 ` Hubert
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2015-01-05 16:52 ` Tero Koskinen
2015-01-05 16:53 ` David Botton
2015-01-23 11:49 ` jeditekunum
2015-01-26 15:01 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-26 15:37 ` David Botton
2015-01-26 22:46 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-27 0:39 ` G.B.
2015-01-27 1:59 ` David Botton
2015-01-27 8:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 7:03 ` Vadim Godunko
2015-01-29 8:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 10:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-01-29 12:31 ` Vadim Godunko
2015-01-29 10:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-01-29 13:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 14:21 ` G.B.
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