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From: "Steve" <nospam_steved94@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:43:33 -0700
Date: 2007-09-27T19:43:33-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6Y6dnRPSgqC592HbnZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@comcast.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: u1wsudty5c.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de

"Markus E L" <development-2006-8ecbb5cc8aREMOVETHIS@ANDTHATm-e-leypold.de> 
wrote in message news:u1wsudty5c.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de...
>
> "Steve" wrote:
[snip]
>> What I was trying to point out (if anyone was listening) is that there 
>> are
>> tools available (for tool builders, which I'm not... its just not my 
>> forte')
>> that should make it relatively easy for tool builders to include support 
>> for
>> interactively building .NET forms in the Visual Studio 2005 development
>> environment.
>
> Obviously not easy enough to make building those tools into a viable
> market. That might be due to the size of the market or the difficulty
> / ineconomy of maintaining such support over the years.
>

That is the point that I question.  Prior to Microsoft opening up the VS for 
adding tools I am certain that that was true.  But who knows.  It might turn 
out that the amount of work required to able to build forms interactively is 
minimial.  That functionality already exists for multiple languages. 
Perhaps there are nice classes that just need to have the details of the 
language defined.  That sort of thing certainly didn't exist in the past, 
certainly not from Microsoft, but you never used to be able do download a 
compiler for free from Microsoft either.

> Still my point applies: You cannot imagin building GUIs w/o
> "interactively building" etc. My suspicion why there is no market for
> GUI builders is:
>

Actually, on the contrary I think this is one of the reason there is 
(almost) no market for Ada in the general computing community.

I went through the process of justifying the choice of language for a system 
several years ago.  At the time I was able to move things toward Ada.  Since 
then matters beyond my control have moved things toward C++ and C#.

In my experience, when the choice of a programming language has to be 
justified, any capability that choice A has over choice B is part of the 
consideration.  Sometimes the reasons are real, sometimes they are not. 
That's just the way things work.  Unfortunately with Ada the GUI generally 
goes in the disadvantage category.

Regards,
Steve
(The Duck)
>
>
> Regards -- Markus
> 





  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-09-28  2:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-06  2:20 GNAT for MS Visual Studio William J Thomas
2007-09-06  7:44 ` anon
2007-09-06  8:49   ` Rob Veenker
2007-09-06 11:12     ` William J Thomas
2007-09-11  3:15 ` Jeffrey Creem
2007-09-20  0:00 ` William J Thomas
2007-09-21  0:46   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-21  3:27     ` William J Thomas
2007-09-21 17:31       ` Markus E L
2007-09-21 18:13       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-22  1:42         ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-22  1:59       ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-22  5:19         ` Simon Wright
2007-09-22 14:42         ` Steve
2007-09-24  8:14           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-25  1:44             ` Steve
2007-09-25  6:41               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-25  8:29               ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 18:00                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-09-25 18:31                   ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 11:20               ` Markus E L
2007-09-26  2:23                 ` Steve
2007-09-26 12:21                   ` Markus E L
2007-09-28  0:49                     ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-28  2:43                     ` Steve [this message]
2007-09-28  9:36                       ` Markus E L
2007-09-29 15:59                         ` Michael Bode
2007-09-29 16:50                           ` Markus E L
2007-09-26  6:58                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2007-09-26 13:35                   ` Steve
2007-09-26 14:06                     ` Markus E L
2007-09-27 18:26                       ` Michael Bode
2007-09-27 20:18                         ` Markus E L
2007-09-28  6:45                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-09-29  9:18                           ` michael bode
2007-09-28  2:29                       ` Steve
2007-09-28  9:23                         ` Markus E L
2007-09-30 14:50                           ` Steve
2007-10-02  3:50                             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-02 11:06                               ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-10-02 20:38                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-02 20:45                                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-03 19:23                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-03 19:40                                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-03 20:08                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-04 20:18                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-04 20:21                                           ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-05 13:25                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-06 10:50                                               ` concurrent access to containers (was: GNAT for MS Visual Studio) Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-05 20:15                                         ` GNAT for MS Visual Studio Simon Wright
2007-10-06 14:47                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2007-10-06 15:03                                         ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-06 16:03                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 17:07                                             ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-06 18:30                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 20:32                                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-07  7:35                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-07 21:30                                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08  7:50                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 10:32                                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 13:39                                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 15:10                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 20:40                                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-09  8:32                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-06 16:17                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2007-10-07  3:19                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-07  7:21                                             ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-07  7:49                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-07 16:41                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-07 17:44                                               ` Simon Wright
2007-10-08  9:52                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 10:42                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-08 10:59                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 11:07                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-10-08 18:44                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-08 15:21                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-08 18:28                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2007-10-07 21:48                                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-07 22:27                                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-10-08 21:10                                                   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-09  1:53                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-09 21:01                                                 ` Simon Wright
2007-10-09 22:48                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2007-10-10  0:21                                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-10-10  4:57                                                   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-10  7:46                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-10-03  5:20                                 ` Licensing again (was Re: GNAT for MS Visual Studio) Simon Wright
2007-10-03  2:03                               ` GNAT for MS Visual Studio Steve
2007-09-28 14:48                         ` Ed Falis
2007-09-29  2:32                           ` Steve
2007-09-29  6:53                             ` Vadim Godunko
2007-09-26 14:08                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-25  2:39             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:40               ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25 11:28               ` Markus E L
2007-09-26 10:19               ` Pascal Obry
2007-09-26 13:00                 ` Michael Bode
2007-09-25  2:32           ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-25  8:27             ` Stephen Leake
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-12 22:03 Anatoly Chernyshev
2007-10-13 20:25 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-10-14 10:37   ` Simon Wright
2007-10-14 11:26     ` Markus E L
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