From: jhd@herold.franken.de (Joachim Durchholz)
Subject: Re: Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t
Date: 1996/11/07
Date: 1996-11-07T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6KRKVf9k3RB@herold.franken.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 32813322.41C6@kyebek3.kjist.ac.kr
alovejoy@concentric.net wrote 06.11.96:
> Objects are objects, not classes.
Of course :)
> OO programs are systems of interacting **objects**, not systems of
> interacting **classes**.
I think this is a bit misleading.
OO program texts are definitely systems of classes (or, rather, textual
representations of classes). We don't specify a single objects when
writing code for a class; instead, we specify the behaviour of a set of
objects, of which there may be none, one, or an unlimited number present
at run-time.
> The architecture and design of a program is a function of what **objects**
> it contains and how they interact.
Well, now I have to disagree. An OO program consists of classes, which are
descriptions of the behaviour of object sets. I.e. it is object behaviour
that we describe, not objects themselves (which are a bit irrelevant
anyway, we want the computer to *behave*, not to *be*).
> Class inheritance is an abstraction mechanism for code sharing.
It is much more. It is a mechanism for specifying similarities, and in
this respect goes far beyond mere code sharing.
I can have exactly the same amount of code sharing with subroutines (that
take routines as parameters in cases where I need dynamic dispatch). This
is available in C, but nobody would regard C equivalent to an OO language!
> It has
> nothing much to do with architecture or design of a program. Proof: any
> program using class inheritance can easily be converted into a completely
> equivalent program where all the leaf classes are root classes: one simply
> duplicates all the inherited methods in each leaf class.
On the same basis, I could declare C to be equivalent to assembler. Proof:
it is always possible to mechanically produce an equivalent assembler
program. (I won't do this :)
The mere possibility to reproduce a program in a different way just proves
Turing equivalence, which we aren't too interested in when discussing
software engineering issues. The real issues are readability,
maintainability, and reusability of the code, by a human programmer, and
representation can have a tremendous impact on that.
Regards,
-Joachim
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1996-11-06 0:00 Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Dong Oh Kim
1996-11-06 0:00 ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-06 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-07 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-10 0:00 ` Vlastimil Adamovsky
1996-11-11 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-11 0:00 ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-18 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-20 0:00 ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-27 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-18 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-19 0:00 ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-27 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-10 0:00 ` drs
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-11 0:00 ` Daniel Drasin
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
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1996-11-10 0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Chris
1996-11-10 0:00 ` Vlastimil Adamovsky
1996-11-11 0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Bill Gooch
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-13 0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-13 0:00 ` Ell
1996-11-14 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-11-19 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Jan Steinman
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-13 0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-13 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-14 0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Ell
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-13 0:00 ` Ell
1996-11-10 0:00 ` vlad
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-14 0:00 ` David N. Smith
1996-11-14 0:00 ` Bill Gooch
1996-11-20 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-11-20 0:00 ` Michael Malak
1996-11-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-26 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-12-03 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-12-08 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1996-11-06 0:00 ` Jan Steinman
1996-11-07 0:00 ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Snowball
1996-11-15 0:00 ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1996-11-28 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-28 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-06 0:00 ` Snowball
1996-11-13 0:00 ` Peter Pflaum
1996-11-13 0:00 ` David N. Smith
1996-11-07 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz [this message]
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-09 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-13 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-27 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Alan Lovejoy
1996-11-11 0:00 ` Nick Thurn
1996-11-11 0:00 ` Paul_Gover
1996-11-11 0:00 ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-11 0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) David N. Smith
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Anthony Menio
1996-11-08 0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Alaric B. Williams
1996-11-13 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-11-11 0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE tools) Cesar A. Gonzalez Perez
1996-11-12 0:00 ` Interesting but sensitive topic to discuss (HELP: - OOP and CASE t Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-20 0:00 ` Piercarlo Grandi
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