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From: Adam Beneschan <adam@irvine.com>
Subject: Re: requeue vs requeue with abort - code example pleaseeee
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:55:32 -0800 (PST)
Date: 2010-12-13T11:55:32-08:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <67977735-3e49-45bd-9919-06ddc1240dc2@u9g2000pra.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Xns9E4D738C32E42WarrensBlatherings@81.169.183.62

On Dec 13, 8:21 am, Warren <ve3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adam Beneschan expounded innews:604b2e52-cfcb-49d0-9ecf-cf9f9135a57c@r19g2000prm.googlegr
> oups.com:
>
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>
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> > On Dec 10, 12:13 pm, Warren <ve3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dmitry A. Kazakov expounded
> >> > All elder languages had capitalized names: FORTRAN,
> >> > COBOL, PL, SNOBOL, C. ..
>
> >> That was once true of acronyms, but not for names. As a
> >> name, it has never been right to fully capitalize Ada.
>
> >> Why they changed the rule for acronyms, beats me though. I
> >> liked things they way they were. Did capitals get more
> >> expensive?
>
> > I'm curious---what acronyms are you referring to?  Most
> > acronyms I see are still in upper case.  (A few
> > pronounceable acronyms ended up becoming actual words, such
> > as "radar", but that's an exceptional case.)  But I don't
> > think there's been a rule change...
>
> >                                 -- Adam
>
> I believe I first heard about this change in capitalization
> from the publisher I worked with at the time (I wrote two
> Linux books and one Unix). I just took their word for it,
> since they were responsible for the "editing".
>
> The publishers were American (Sams and Queue, which are now  
> now all part of the same parent company). FORTRAN and COBOL
> were originally acronyms and I believe COBOL still is. I also
> thought SNOBOL was an acronym but didn't look it up.
>
> The Chicago Book of Style mentions it here.
>
> http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/search.epl?
> q=acronyms&site=all&client=live&output=xml_no_dtd&proxystylesh
> eet=cmosdev&filter=0&search.x=0&search.y=0&search_edition=16
>
> You need a login to see the citation online. My hardcopy is at
> home, which I'll check if I still remember.

We happen to have the 13th edition at the office, but that's pretty
old (1982) so I don't know how much use it is.  However, I did notice
that there were two separate sections---one had to do with
capitalization of software-related acronyms, and another with acronyms
in general.  The section on the latter listed things like UN, NAACP,
NATO, AARP, none of which I've ever seen in anything but all-
capitals.  (Except maybe Interpol.)  I'm guessing that when you were
asking "why they changed the rules" you were referring only to
software-related or computer-related acronyms.  I didn't pick up on
that at first.

I'm interested to see what the Chicago manual says about this.  From
what I can gather from Wikipedia, though, capitalization is just plain
inconsistent.  FORTRAN officially became spelled Fortran in 1990.
Unix is trademarked as UNIX but is often written as Unix, or sometimes
with the "nix" in small caps.  SNOBOL is still all-caps; SnoBol is a
toilet bowl cleaner.  SAIL, one of the languages mentioned in the 13th-
edition Chicago Manual, is likewise all-caps.  Wikipedia says that
ALGOL is all caps, but that article itself sometimes uses "Algol" with
no explanation for the inconsistency, except (I guess) that you can
expect some inconsistency when you let everybody and their brother
edit your encyclopedia.  Wikipedia also says "Lisp" is the correct
spelling, but LISP is sometimes used by authors or vendors, and
there's no explanation of why there's a difference or whether the
spelling changed at some point in time.

                                     -- Adam

                                   -- Adam



  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-13 19:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-09 13:57 requeue vs requeue with abort - code example pleaseeee domel
2010-12-09 16:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-09 19:00 ` Warren
2010-12-10  0:11   ` Randy Brukardt
2010-12-10  5:52     ` Shark8
2010-12-10  7:14   ` Simon Wright
2010-12-10  8:34   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-12-10 10:12     ` AdaMagica
2010-12-10 17:27       ` Robert A Duff
2010-12-11 15:59         ` AdaMagica
2010-12-10 16:11     ` Adam Beneschan
2010-12-10 20:13     ` Warren
2010-12-10 21:30       ` Adam Beneschan
2010-12-10 21:48         ` Simon Wright
2010-12-13 16:21         ` Warren
2010-12-13 19:55           ` Adam Beneschan [this message]
2010-12-14 15:40             ` Warren
2010-12-11  0:46       ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-12-11  1:39         ` Adam Beneschan
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