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From: "John R. Strohm" <strohm@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: status of PL/I as a viable language
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:48:22 -0600
Date: 2003-02-21T12:48:22-06:00	[thread overview]
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"Hyman Rosen" <hyrosen@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1045839283.86671@master.nyc.kbcfp.com...
> Ond�ej Tu�n� wrote:
> > Not in all cases. Here a complex failure (failure of a Patriot battery)
> > was originally caused by a simple overflow error. And as someone already
> > pointed out, the complex failure would have never happened if the
originating
> > simple error was detected and handled properly.
>
> No. The claim was that the code was written under the assumption
> that the overflow would not happen. In such a case, the problem
> would never be "handled properly" since proper handling assumes
> the belief that the problem can happen.
>
> There also seems to be the assumption that the overflow error
> happens while the battery was just sitting there. It is just
> as possible that the overflow manifests only during launch, in
> which case causing a reboot wouldn't be very helpful.
>
> I've mentioned this many times before. Language checks such as
> bounds checking, pointer checking, and overflow checking are
> fine for testing. But when the application is released, it is
> better to disable such checks in cases where continued operation
> is important, because it's more likely that a program which
> "gets away" with making such an error can keep working, whereas
> detecting the error will just blow the program away.

One of the luminaries of Computer Science answered that one many years ago.

He compared that strategy (specifically with array bounds checking) to
wearing a life jacket while playing about inside the sheltered harbor, but
discarding the life jacket upon venturing into the open ocean.

I think it was Tony Hoare, but it might have been Edsger Dijkstra or
Nicklaus Wirth.






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2003-02-20 15:49                 ` status of PL/I as a viable language Richard Riehle
2003-02-20 16:26                   ` Donald L. Dobbs
2003-02-20 17:15                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21  6:24                     ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-02-21 18:44                       ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-20 17:58                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-20 18:44                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-20 19:09                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-20 19:27                         ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-20 19:48                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-20 21:12                             ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-20 21:39                           ` Bobby D. Bryant
2003-02-21 20:36                             ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-21  8:33                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-02-20 19:34                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-20 19:52                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-20 20:14                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-20 21:20                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21  8:14                             ` Ondřej Tučný
2003-02-21 14:54                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 15:05                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21 15:55                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 16:45                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 17:40                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 17:44                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 18:10                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 18:38                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 18:40                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 18:52                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 19:24                                             ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21 19:57                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 20:37                                                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21 20:55                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-21 18:42                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-21 18:48                                 ` John R. Strohm [this message]
2003-02-21 20:22                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-02-21 20:51                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-21 21:29                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 21:44                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-23  5:05                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-24 16:29                                         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-22 11:06                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-23 22:04                                     ` tmoran
2003-02-24  9:32                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-02  2:37                                         ` AG
2003-03-01 13:46                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03  0:57                                             ` AG
2003-03-02 12:40                                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-02 16:52                                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-03  0:19                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-03  3:03                                                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-03-04 12:11                                                     ` Faust
2003-03-04 15:51                                                       ` OT: Crime Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-03  8:01                                                   ` status of PL/I as a viable language Preben Randhol
2003-02-24 20:15                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-25 10:00                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-26  1:10                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2003-02-26 18:49                                         ` Stephen Leake
2003-02-27 12:09                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-01 18:16                                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-02  1:56                                           ` AG
     [not found]                                 ` <iqeli-c2d.ln1@beastie.ix.netcom.com>
2003-02-23  5:13                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-28 10:32                                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-02-28 18:52                                       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2003-02-23 19:19                                 ` Berend de Boer
2003-02-24  6:19                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-20 22:10                         ` Peter Flass
2003-02-20 22:26                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-02-21  9:13                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-21 14:56                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 16:04                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 19:41                             ` Mike Silva
2003-02-21 20:41                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-02-21 21:46                               ` Donald L. Dobbs
2003-02-23  2:23                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-23  5:02                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-23 18:34                                   ` Donald L. Dobbs
2003-02-24  6:22                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 19:16                           ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-21 19:49                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 20:32                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-02-21 20:40                                 ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-25 10:31                                   ` Quality (Re: status of PL/I as a viable language) Anders Wirzenius
2003-02-25 13:10                                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-26  6:22                                       ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-02-26 11:47                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-26 12:40                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-26 13:43                                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-02-27  7:05                                           ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-03-01 22:28                                     ` AG
2003-03-01 12:56                                       ` Peter Flass
2003-03-01 19:17                                         ` Frank Clarke
2003-03-01 13:51                                       ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-03-01 13:54                                         ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-03-02 18:51                                           ` AG
2003-03-02  9:55                                             ` Anders Wirzenius
2003-02-21 20:35                               ` status of PL/I as a viable language John R. Strohm
2003-02-21 21:40                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-21 22:25                                   ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-22 10:56                                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-22 19:55                                     ` Everett M. Greene
2003-02-23 11:15                                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-22 19:55                                   ` Everett M. Greene
2003-02-22 20:03                                     ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-22 22:38                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-21 21:44                             ` Pointless Harlows
2003-02-22  4:51                               ` John W. Kennedy
2003-02-23  0:13                                 ` James J. Weinkam
2003-02-23  2:28                                   ` John W. Kennedy
2003-02-22 13:04                               ` IEFBR14, was " Peter Flass
2003-02-22 19:08                                 ` Robert Munck
2003-02-23  9:53                                   ` Pointless Harlows
2003-02-22 19:31                                 ` John W. Kennedy
2003-02-23  2:12                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-20 21:45                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-20 22:06                       ` Peter Flass
2003-02-20 23:30                         ` John R. Strohm
2003-02-21 13:46                           ` Peter Flass
2003-02-21 20:33                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-21 20:26                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-20 22:34                       ` Larry Kilgallen
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2003-02-21 16:09                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-21 18:10                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-24 12:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-02-21 20:16                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-22 12:57                       ` Peter Flass
2003-02-23  2:27                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2003-02-21 20:49                   ` Donald's F-22 Question Richard Riehle
2003-02-21 22:37                     ` Jerry Petrey
2003-02-20 23:00 status of PL/I as a viable language David C. Hoos, Sr.
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2003-02-21 18:17 Lionel.DRAGHI
2003-02-21 18:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-22 13:26 David C. Hoos, Sr.
2003-02-26 20:55 David C. Hoos
2003-02-27 12:12 ` Preben Randhol
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