From: billwolf%hazel.cs.clemson.edu@hubcap.clemson.edu (William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 )
Subject: Re: Ada 9X objectives
Date: 12 Oct 89 01:11:16 GMT [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6747@hubcap.clemson.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 16192@vail.ICO.ISC.COM
From rcd@ico.ISC.COM (Dick Dunn):
> Part of what I'm saying is that you've got a marketing problem. Even if
> you have a wonderful product, you still have to sell it--you'll go broke if
> you just wait for customers to find you.
Many of the people who are being introduced to Ada (software
engineering students) won't be in a position to change their
organizations for a few years; in some cases, it simply takes time.
Despite that, there are some major successes. For example, GTE is
doing its future telephone network system (WINS) in what is expected
to be over 20 million lines of Ada. We expect more. The primary
limitation now (beyond inertia) is getting the bindings to things
like SQL, and this is the subject of a lot of activity.
The advanced second-generation optimizing compilers, along with
the CASE environments (e.g., TeleArcs), are also coming on line
just recently, and their impact is just beginning to be felt.
> If you want anything approaching a contemporary programming language,
> you're not going to get it by taking five years to get to where
> C++ is now, and then proclaiming you're done.
Of course not. We will take five years to get to everything C++
can do, plus many things (like multitasking and generics) it can't.
> The activity and adaptability of C++ is something you're going to
> have to address somehow if you're going to "compete" with it.
Precisely why I advocate a shortened five-year revision cycle.
> Beyond that, if you just add a feature to Ada, it doesn't immediately
> become as useful as a feature that's existed in C++ for a while. There's a
> maturing period, during which people find the gotchas and evolve the
> paradigms.
There are a lot of object-oriented languages and systems, many of
which (e.g., Trellis/Owl) are more powerful than C++. The intent
is to fully exploit the proof-of-concept work which has been done
by the research languages rather than doing it ourselves. Once the
concept is proven and debugged (and assuming that it's an important
advance in software engineering technology), then it's time to move
it into production.
Bill Wolfe, wtwolfe@hubcap.clemson.edu
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Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1989-09-29 1:59 Ada 9X objectives Bill Wolfe
1989-09-30 16:59 ` ryer
1989-10-02 18:00 ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-02 20:07 ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-02 23:33 ` Translating 83 => 9X (Was: Re: Ada 9X objectives) Ronald Guilmette
1989-10-03 18:14 ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-03 20:02 ` Ronald Guilmette
1989-10-05 1:56 ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-05 20:35 ` John Goodenough
1989-10-06 16:11 ` Ada 9X objectives William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-07 1:27 ` Translating 83 => 9X (Was: Re: Ada 9X objectives) Ronald Guilmette
1989-10-08 16:39 ` Translating 83 => 9X William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-04 18:08 ` Translating 83 => 9X (Was: ryer
1989-10-05 15:29 ` stt
1989-10-08 17:56 ` Modernizing Ada William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-04 13:09 ` Re^2: Ada 9X objectives James E. Cardow
1989-10-04 20:24 ` Ted Dunning
1989-10-05 2:04 ` Ada vs. Scheme William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-06 12:06 ` Re^2: Ada 9X objectives Norman Diamond
1989-10-06 12:50 ` Robert Munck
1989-10-08 17:07 ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-10 15:00 ` Robert Munck
1989-10-11 14:47 ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
1989-10-11 18:13 ` Dick Dunn
1989-10-11 22:14 ` Question about Ada expressions Perry Schmidt
1989-10-12 10:56 ` STEPHEN D. STRADER
1989-10-12 12:15 ` Robert Firth
1989-10-12 22:07 ` stt
1989-10-13 14:38 ` horst
1989-10-12 1:11 ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847 [this message]
1989-10-13 11:05 ` Ada 9X objectives Markku Sakkinen
1989-10-06 19:00 ` Re^2: " Dick Dunn
1989-10-10 3:26 ` James E. Cardow
1989-10-12 5:09 ` Ada 9X objectives and long development cycles Dick Dunn
1989-10-12 18:16 ` Re^2: Ada 9X objectives Robert Eachus
1989-10-02 21:01 ` William Thomas Wolfe, 2847
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