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From: nozone@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at (ANDREAS LEITNER)
Subject: Re: Programming language vote - results
Date: 1997/12/02
Date: 1997-12-02T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6616ej$llt@fstgal00.tu-graz.ac.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 65gaoj$f8u$1@helios.crest.nt.com


Names are snipped (dont know who wrote what, sorry)

: Whether or not it is appropriate to use a goto depends on the programming
: language---namely, what control structures the language supports.
: If the language only supports GOTO-like structures, then your choice is
: made for you. In other cases it's not that clear. Suppose that you want
: to break out of some deeply nested block statement. If your language
: supports a ``break N'' statement, to break out of N nesting levels,
: or a ``break <name>'' where <name> is the name of the enclosing block
: from which you want to jump out,  then you will use the break. If you
: don't have it, you either use a simple goto, or an extra variable plus a 
: number
: of tests at each level. 

Well, in my opinion the need to use a goto is in most (if not all) cases a
sign that the design or the language lacks. (if (!design lacks) language 
lacks; :) 
I think goto debate is not recent anymore is because the majority of people
have accepted the fact that goto provide unreadable code. Once we got a
"coder" that produced lots of gotos, he was fired not onyl because of gotos
but also because of the fact that a different programmer was able to rewrite
a function without using one goto and also reducing the size of the function
from 60 to 15 lines (as I remember correctly)


I think this is the main reason why the goto-argument is not held anymore
(or is it help by now?) 

: How recently have you come across a program that was rotten due to the
: abuse of
: goto? Is this really a valid concern?

Yes, I've debugged a program that rebuild took over 30 minutes. Here to use
the trail and error aproach to get an idea of the code costs too much time
and money. (And is anoing)

-- 
ANDREAS LEITNER alias nozone@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at




  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-12-02  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <343fbb5a.0@news.iprolink.ch>
1997-10-11  0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Gary L. Scott
1997-10-12  0:00   ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13  0:00     ` Robert Munck
1997-10-13  0:00       ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13  0:00       ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00     ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00     ` safetran
1997-10-13  0:00       ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-14  0:00         ` Philip Brashear
1997-10-14  0:00           ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00       ` FRS DES
     [not found]     ` <3442B745.5352@lmco.com>
1997-10-15  0:00       ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-16  0:00       ` James Giles
1997-10-16  0:00         ` Andrew Haley
1997-10-13  0:00   ` David Ness
1997-10-14  0:00     ` Jan Karman
1997-10-15  0:00       ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-15  0:00         ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-15  0:00           ` FRS DES
1997-10-15  0:00           ` Mark Stephen
1997-10-17  0:00             ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-16  0:00           ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-16  0:00             ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17  0:00               ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-17  0:00                 ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17  0:00               ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-16  0:00             ` FRS DES
1997-10-17  0:00               ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-10-17  0:00             ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-20  0:00               ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20  0:00                 ` FRS DES
1997-10-21  0:00                   ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20  0:00                 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-10-20  0:00                   ` Kaz
1997-10-21  0:00                     ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-23  0:00                     ` Ada Readability (Re: Programming language vote - results) Ray Blaak
1997-10-21  0:00                   ` Programming language vote - results Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-21  0:00                 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-22  0:00                   ` Don Guinn
     [not found]                     ` <01bce1bf$5c2baaa0$95b66bcf@dkelly.ark.com>
1997-10-29  0:00                       ` Don Guinn
1997-10-29  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-31  0:00                         ` Documenting Code (was:Programming language vote - results) Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30  0:00                           ` Charles Lin
1997-10-30  0:00                             ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31  0:00                               ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31  0:00                             ` Robert Bernecky
1997-11-01  0:00                           ` Randy MacDonald
1997-11-01  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-03  0:00                               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-29  0:00                       ` Programming language vote - results FRS DES
1997-10-29  0:00                     ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-25  0:00                   ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-26  0:00                     ` functionality of Java (was Re: Programming language vote - results) Randy MacDonald
1997-10-23  0:00                 ` Programming language vote - results Jack Rudd
1997-10-25  0:00                   ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-25  0:00                     ` Kaz
1997-10-26  0:00                       ` FRS DES
1997-10-27  0:00                       ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-27  0:00                         ` APL argument W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-28  0:00                           ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-28  0:00                         ` Programming language vote - results Jan Karman
1997-10-28  0:00                           ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-28  0:00                             ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29  0:00                               ` Robert Bernecky
     [not found]                                 ` <bosworth-2910972044300001@access59.accsyst.com>
1997-10-30  0:00                                   ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-30  0:00                                     ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31  0:00                                         ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29  0:00                     ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-25  0:00                 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-18  0:00                   ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1997-11-18  0:00                     ` firewind
1997-11-18  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
1997-11-18  0:00                       ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-19  0:00                         ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-19  0:00                       ` Mike Smith
1997-11-19  0:00                         ` Matt
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
     [not found]                           ` <3474C71B.536B12F6@cgocable.net>
1997-11-21  0:00                             ` CVigue
1997-11-23  0:00                           ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` FRS DES
1997-11-20  0:00                       ` Andy Knight
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
1997-11-20  0:00                       ` Coding for Obscurity Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` Stephan Wilms
1997-11-21  0:00                           ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-23  0:00                           ` Al Christians
1997-11-23  0:00                           ` Alex Krol
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` Jim Johnson
1997-11-24  0:00                               ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-26  0:00                                 ` Robert S. White
1997-11-26  0:00                                   ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-26  0:00                                   ` Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
1997-12-01  0:00                                     ` ISONE
1997-12-01  0:00                                     ` ISONE
1997-11-26  0:00                                   ` Leon Jones
1997-11-26  0:00                                     ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26  0:00                                     ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27  0:00                                       ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-11-27  0:00                                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-24  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` Matt
1997-11-24  0:00                               ` Ed Falis
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-24  0:00                               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-25  0:00                                 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
1997-11-20  0:00                           ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-20  0:00                       ` Programming language vote - results Terry Richards
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` Andy Knight
1997-11-23  0:00                         ` Alex Krol
1997-11-25  0:00                         ` William Tanksley
1997-11-26  0:00                           ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27  0:00                             ` William Tanksley
1997-11-27  0:00                               ` Lawrence Kirby
     [not found]                                 ` <65keij$mkd$1@nerd.apk.net>
1997-11-27  0:00                                   ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-28  0:00                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-12-01  0:00                                 ` FRS DES
1997-11-18  0:00                     ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24  0:00                       ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-25  0:00                         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-26  0:00                           ` Peter Seebach
1997-12-02  0:00                           ` ANDREAS LEITNER [this message]
1997-12-02  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-02  0:00                             ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-12-03  0:00                               ` Billy Chambless
1997-12-03  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-05  0:00                             ` John Sullivan
1997-11-25  0:00                         ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-25  0:00                           ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-26  0:00                             ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26  0:00                           ` FRS DES
1997-11-18  0:00                     ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-29  0:00                       ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1998-09-10  0:00                         ` Steven Katz
1997-11-19  0:00                     ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-19  0:00                     ` Peter Seebach
1997-10-16  0:00           ` Randy MacDonald
     [not found]           ` <01bcdad2$fa9fdf60$25a43a91@basil.omroep.nl>
1997-10-17  0:00             ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-17  0:00         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-10-14  0:00     ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-13  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-10-14  0:00     ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00   ` Robert S. White
1997-10-13  0:00     ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-19  0:00 ` William Rapp
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