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From: "James S. Rogers" <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 00:09:38 GMT
Date: 2002-12-08T00:09:38+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <65wI9.42818$vM1.3404322@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: asth1t$2udb$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu

"Chad R. Meiners" <crmeiners@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:asth1t$2udb$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu...
>
> "Adrian Hoe" <mailbox@*nospam*adrianhoe.com> wrote in message
> news:3df17093_1@news.tm.net.my...
> > Chad R. Meiners wrote:
> >
> > But, largely, the adult American can take actions using their votes.
> > They used their votes to bring down Mr. Carter (he received Nobel
> > Peace price recently) many years ago. Now, they can do it again to
> > bring down this cow boy.
>
> You cannot hold an individual voter responsible for the government's
actions
> because voting is anonymous.
>
> > I saw a documentary by Phoenix TV from China. It is a documentary film
> > on Iraq. The American or to be fair, the US Military used poor uranium
> > bombs on Iraqi soils. The Iraqi soils and water are contaminated with
> > radiation. After the war, one million children died of cancer in 5
> > years time. All the bombs totally used were 6 times the atomic bombs
> > in Nagasaki during 2nd world war.

To my knowledge, the only depleted uranium exposure in Iraq was from
the cannon shells fired by the A10 Warthog. These are not bombs. They
were fired mostly at Iraqi tanks. What are 1 million Iraqi children doing
playing in destroyed tanks?

The "bunker buster" bombs used in Iraq contained no depleted
uranium. They were rather hastily constructed by packing explosives
into howitzer cannon barrels. The bombs worked because the
strength of the barrels allowed the bomb to retain is basic shape
while burrowing through several meters of concrete.
>
> That sounds like a biased news source.  It sounds like you've been
mislead.
> This is one of the real problems ignorance causes.  People tend to believe
> what they want to hear and not question the information sources.  Would
you
> stop opposing the US if you discovered that this news report isn't true.
> No, probably not since it is obvious that you are ready to believe
anything
> negative about the US.  Look at those statistics; they make no sense.
These
> are obvious traits of an unreliable information source.  What is a poor
> uranium bomb anyway?  Sounds like a ambiguous term specially developed to
> twist the truth and get people's blood boiling.  It sounds like
propaganda.
>
> > Is it fair that the US can use any kind of nuclear weapons on its so
> > called enemies and the enemies are not allowed to? What use we have UN
> > and no nude treaties? Bullshit!

In fact the US would love to eliminate its nuclear arsenal.
Unfortunately, such a move is impractical when so many countries are
doing their best to increase their own nuclear capability. People who
hate the US today would not stop hating it tomorrow if we destroyed
all our nuclear capability.

> >
> > Big countries like US, Australia and their allies are becoming the
> > barbarians of 21st century. They claim their rights to launch military
> > campaign on foreign soils to attack "suspected" terrorist
> > establishment. They cowardly bomb targets from UAV using missiles from
> > high above the sky. This is war. This challenges the sovereignty of
> > the attacked contries.

Be careful of the accusation of cowardice. It is a form of manure
that can be thrown in any direction. What about the cowardice of
organizations that bomb night clubs filled with people?

> >
> > Can you do this to the people of that country and provide them
> > technology after the war? What use? If I lost my children and home, I
> > would rather have blood to pay for blood. This is never ending story
> > and terrorism will go on and on forever.

Look at the hatred in the Middle East. The people there still talk about
revenge for the Crusades of the Middle Ages. They seem to forget that
Europe only sent troops to the area after the Moslims attacked and
destroyed an area occupied mostly by Christians. Apparently, in their
minds, it is evil to resist oppression.

>
> No, terrorism goes on and on because ignorance allows people to convince
> people to take out their grief and hatred on innocents.
>
> > I hope this is not going to
> > happen on me. But no one can guarantee my hope will not be shattered
> > one day. Who is going to be responsible if they turn me into a
> > terrorist? If I have children at home, do you think I want to have
> > explosive tied to my body and turn myself into suicide bomber? Think!

True. I am sure the thousands of people who worked in the World Trade
Center did not want their lives shattered either.  Who is responsible for
turning their families and friends into terrorists?

The only thing that can stop the cycle of terrorism is a belief in a higher
good; something better and more important than revenge. Some
religions offer this. Some do not.

>
> > If you still have conscience and you (c.l.a.) claim you are a group of
> > intelligent software engineers, exercise your vote now to bring down
> > the cow boy!
>

I do not know any cowboy. The President of the United States is
acting as honorably as any leader can under the circumstances.
He has not acted irrationally since the United States has come under
direct attack. He has been honest, and tough. He has also been
fair. He has given first the Taliban, and now the Iraqi regime,
a bloodless diplomatic way out of the problem. The Taliban chose
war. We will soon see which choice is made by the Iraqi regime.

Jim Rogers





  reply	other threads:[~2002-12-08  0:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-11-26 21:03 New Ada compiler for .NET Martin Carlisle
2002-11-26 21:28 ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-26 22:23   ` Jerry van Dijk
2002-11-27  8:30     ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-28 11:39       ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 17:56         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-11-28 22:21           ` Pascal Obry
2002-11-29  8:22             ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-27 12:48   ` Gautier
2002-11-27 17:31   ` Ted Dennison
2002-11-27 18:37     ` chris.danx
2002-11-27 18:39       ` chris.danx
2002-11-28  2:46     ` Robert C. Leif
2002-11-28 18:03       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-11-29 20:25         ` Robert C. Leif
2002-11-30 14:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-01 19:02           ` Richard Riehle
2002-12-02 23:01             ` Adam Kingsl
2002-12-03  0:27               ` Iran, was " tmoran
2002-12-05 11:15               ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-05 18:45                 ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-05 19:06                   ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-06 12:52                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-12-06 14:47                     ` Safety Group
2002-12-06 20:04                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-12-07 15:43                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-12-05 20:01                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 13:18                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 15:08                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:35                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 16:19                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 16:34                           ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 18:10                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:39                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 16:27                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 17:02                           ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 18:13                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 15:51                       ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 16:41                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 16:46                           ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-06 18:16                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-21 17:40                   ` faust
2002-12-22  1:40                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  7:39                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23 11:09                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-23 14:39                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-05 20:52                 ` OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-05 23:06                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-06 20:22                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-12-07 15:18                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09  6:36                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10  4:33                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-10 14:46                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 21:49                           ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-10 22:14                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 22:17                               ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-16  4:58                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-19 19:12                                   ` Michal Nowak
2002-12-11  3:56                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-11  4:24                               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-11 19:48                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-12  4:49                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-12  5:11                                     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-13 23:00                                       ` chris.danx
2002-12-15 15:54                                         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-16  2:25                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-12 16:53                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 19:29                                 ` Programmer Dude
2002-12-11 14:28                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-11 12:57                           ` John English
2002-12-11 14:52                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-13 22:49                               ` chris.danx
2002-12-16  4:53                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-17 13:03                                   ` John English
2002-12-17 16:31                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-18 17:13                                       ` John English
2002-12-18 19:03                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-19 17:32                                           ` tmoran
2002-12-19 22:35                                           ` Michael Bode
2002-12-19 23:15                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-20  0:17                                             ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-21 22:08                                               ` Michael Bode
2002-12-22  1:46                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-24 15:35                                                 ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-25  8:14                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-20  1:48                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-06  3:28                   ` Smooth Sailor
2002-12-06  8:56                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-06 12:57                       ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-06 15:52                         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-06 15:52                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-06 14:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-06 16:26                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-07  0:31                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-07  4:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-07  4:57                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-07  7:06                         ` Eric G. Miller
2002-12-09  5:11                           ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09  4:24                             ` James S. Rogers
2002-12-09  5:48                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09  5:54                               ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 20:41                                 ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-10  3:17                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-10  2:44                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 10:12                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-10 14:37                                     ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-16 15:02                                   ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-16 22:41                                     ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-17  2:48                                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 16:17                               ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 13:37                             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-07 19:07                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-08  0:09                           ` James S. Rogers [this message]
2002-12-09  5:43                             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 17:09                               ` P S Norby
2002-12-10 13:03                                 ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-10 14:58                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 17:49                                     ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-10 18:28                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-16  8:58                                         ` Robert Kaiser
2002-12-09 17:47                               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-09 17:53                                 ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 17:56                                 ` P S Norby
2002-12-09 20:22                                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09 21:07                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10  8:51                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-12-10 14:48                                   ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-09 20:20                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-09 20:46                                   ` Ed Cogburn
2002-12-09 22:13                                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-12-10  3:18                                       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-12-09 21:11                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-07 23:08                         ` Christopher Campbell
2002-12-09 13:36                       ` OT [Recipe against] " Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-09 14:43                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-12-11  9:11                     ` OT " Thierry Lelegard
2002-12-11 14:50                       ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-11 14:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-21 17:32                 ` New Ada compiler for .NET faust
2002-12-22  1:49                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-22  3:52                     ` Ed Falis
2002-12-22 22:51                     ` faust
2002-12-22  4:48                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  1:33                         ` faust
2002-12-22  6:48                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-23  6:29                             ` faust
2002-12-23  5:59                     ` Hillel Y. Sims
2002-12-21 17:33                 ` Chomsky ( was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) faust
2002-11-28 11:41     ` New Ada compiler for .NET Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 12:32       ` John English
2002-11-28 14:36         ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-11-28 14:26           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-11-29  3:00           ` Moe
2002-11-28 14:06     ` Preben Randhol
2002-11-28 15:12     ` Marin David Condic
2002-11-28 16:26       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-01  0:27         ` tmoran
2002-12-01 13:22           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-02 17:19             ` Wes Groleau
2002-12-02 23:46               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-12-03 19:42                 ` separating Politics from Reality Wes Groleau
2002-12-04 15:23                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-11-27  3:23 ` New Ada compiler for .NET Richard Riehle
2002-11-28 15:19   ` Marin David Condic
2002-11-29  2:23     ` Richard Riehle
2002-11-27  4:02 ` William J. Thomas
2002-11-27  4:19 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2002-11-28  9:01 ` Ingo Marks
2002-12-17 10:00   ` Martin Dowie
2002-12-17 13:57     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-12-17 19:46       ` Martin Dowie
2002-12-17 21:00         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2002-12-17 22:32           ` Martin Dowie
2002-11-28 16:45 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2002-12-01  9:25   ` Martin Dowie
2003-01-04 18:43 ` Michael Erdmann
     [not found] <mailman.1039527664.31015.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org>
2002-12-10 13:50 ` OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada compiler for .NET) Preben Randhol
2002-12-10 16:03   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-12-10 16:28   ` Georg Bauhaus
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-02  3:57 OT Hatred (was Re: New Ada Compiler " Adrian Hoe
2003-03-02  3:46 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-11  5:35 ` Karel Miklav
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